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Truly the End of Days

May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 am by leinator

So…yeah. I started this article thinking “You know, TML’s probably going to delete my account if I don’t write some random crap in the next few weeks, so I might as well write a funny little short commentary on the reaction to the timeline announcement. Well, I started this thinking it was going to be extremely short and more of an “article”, then I guess I just got carried away. Anyway, back to the reason for this intro. This is satire, it’s an over dramatization, and it isn’t meant to offend either side of the debate. It’s meant to offend all the sides. So don’t turn the comment section of the post into a debate forum, this article is a joke with a little moral, please treat it like one and take your rants to your respective forums. If you wish to disagree with the moral of the story, that’s fine, I just don’t want this to turn into a timeline flame war.

~~~

It’s been a month or two, I’ve lost a sense of time really, since that monumental tragedy. It’s hard to piece together what really happened, and when I do, everything just falls apart again. I really don’t know when, if ever, I’ll get over it. People around me tell me to just forget, telling me that it doesn’t really matter. I know it does, and I will never forget. People say that you are defined by the moments of highest tension and chaos in your life, that we base what we are on our most monumental moments of tragedy. If this is true, than my life will always be based on that fateful day, that terrible day, the day that forever shattered my paradigm into millions of pieces that will never be recovered. The sixth day, in the month of march, the year 2007 Anno Domini. The day Aonuma confirmed a split timeline.

I stand here, eyes glazed, staring at the burnt heap that was the website of a good friend of mine, LastSingletheoryDan. The poor guy, he was one of the first lost, one of those “single timeline” theorists. Minutes after the announcement, he slipped into a sort of berserking rage, throwing out blog posts and spamming up forums like a drunken catholic in the middle of a gay rights message board. The poor guy didn’t have any control over himself. I vaguely remember myself screaming “Dammit man, get a hold of yourself!,” or some other futile little command, I hardly remember myself. Only later did I realize it was too late for poor LSD, his entire life was based around that last little truth he had to hold onto. He hasn’t been seen in the community since.

I vaguely hear my MSN communicator beep and I snap out of my reflective trance. Pulling it off my belt, A message urgently typed in all caps is blaring in my screen, in full size font.

WE’VE GOT A CODE RED SITUATION AT THE MAIN SQUARE AT ZU. ALL UNITS, CONVERGE ON MY SIGNAL.

I dash over to my browser and quickly start it up. It would take a while to get to ZU, so much DDOS traffic was clogging up the community bandwidth lanes. As I sat there, I quickly established the chat network to be filled in on the situation. The nearest squad car was MeganoftheNight, one of the few surviving webmasters from one of the suburban communities, zeldaluverz.net. Her site was hit by the spam cloud and she lost a few good men, but at least it wasn’t the pure inhumane obliteration of the major sites.

“So, what’s the situation,” I asked her hurriedly.

“I haven’t even been been filled in myself, I gathered from the radio chatter that some Timeline Split Denier member is in the Zelda Universe timeline section threatening to deface everything there. From what I gather, he lost his online girlfriend in the blast. She apparently did some light denying, and they took her out just like that. I can understand a little paranoia in a situation of this magnitude, but they took her out for having an opinion. Whatever happened to freedom of speech.”

“Poor guy. I can’t condone what he’s doing, but….the pain he must feel for his loss.”

“I know, every time I have to ban one of these guys I feel that tinge of guilt, that maybe, even though they’re wrong, that maybe what they’re fighting for is right.”

“I know the feeling. I have a hard time banning any human, it just feels so wrong. But, ya gotta do what you gotta do, ya know?”

“Yeah….,” Her tone wasn’t so sure, “I know.”

I really wasn’t so sure either. I guess in the end, though, It was my choice to side with one group over the other. Whichever side was “right” now really didn’t matter. What mattered is that a lot of innocent people’s accounts were at stake here, and it was time to stop and do what was morally right.

We finally both loaded up to the entrance of ZU. It’s foreboding extra security measures as of late reminded us of the dire situation the community was in. We entered our pass codes and user names as the gigantic doors creaked open and we were redirected to the timeline section with one of the link terminals near the entrance. Let me tell you, you haven’t seen human depravity until you’ve seen the timeline section of Zelda Universe. Thousands of members lie banned on the ground, their picket thread-name signs a testimony to their last words. “Nintendo isn’t the final authority on the series” one said, the body nearby had a signature/tattoo that read “‘Parallel’ doesn’t mean split! Aonouma meant WW’s story was similar to Oot’s!”

In the distance we saw a crowd of people gathering, the murmur of their voices was already loud enough to carry all the way towards us. As we got closer we pulled out our TE badges and asked everyone to step aside.
“The Timline Experts are here, we’re saved!” one man shouted, and was quickly silenced by my partner.

“Stuff like that is what’s going to set him off,” she noted, “we need this crowd to clear.”

“Sickeningly enough, humanity loves to stare upon the grotesque, I doubt there’s anything we can do. We can send a dispatch to one of the mods, but they’re all focusing on trying to find a pattern in this guy’s IP changer.”

We neared the clearing in the center of the group, and a man sat crouched in the middle, murmuring something about “split timelines being too sci-fi-ish” for zelda or something. He was obviously stressed, he was refreshing heavily, desperately trying to convince others of his view post by post.

“Nintendo has no freakin right to mess with our community!” He shouted violently, “We were founded on debates like the timeline, we work through disagreeables, once you take away controversy and tell a side it’s wrong, you’re letting thousands of fans down! I’m not standing for it anymore, Nintendo and freakin Aonouma no longer have authority, they abused the responsibility, they are WRONG!”

His voice cracked at this point, the mods were doing their best to control his posts but to no avail. He had worked though the post time limit with a script operated megaphone, no number of mods was going to stop him.

“Ok man, calm down, let’s think about this” I said cautiously, “We splitists have good arguments even without the confirmation, it just…confirmed it. Is it really so bad to have to agree with our point of view?”

“THAT’S JUST THE POINT!” At this point he was raving mad, caps lock key down and all, “NINTENDO SHOULDN’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE THEY “HAVE” TO AGREE WITH ANY POINT OF VIEW.”

“Well they obviously chose the better one, we had better arguments. People who followed yours were simpletons who couldn’t grasp the concept of split timelines, you just need to accept we were the right ones.”

“WHY YOU DIRTY LITTLE SPLITTY,” He shouted as a nearby mother covered the ears of her child to keep him from hearing the racist term, “I’LL DELETE YOU.”

He lunged at me, MySQL injection script in had, rolled up into a sort of stick. He swung it at me as I pulled out my vulnerability patcher, just barely blocking his would-be fatal blow. We stood there for a moment, his face inches from mine, and I could see the pain in his eyes beneath the anger. He pushed back, spun around, and lunged again with a stabbing blow. I barely dodged to the side as his attack cut across my shoulder, the cut leaking vital account information. I patched it up quickly and repaired the memory leak just before he lunged again, attempting to strike low. I jumped back and held my patcher in front of me, determined to fight with my last breath until the mods could figure out a way to ban him for good. He froze for a moment, a look of indecisiveness in his face, as if this was his last chance to turn back. That look turned into snarl, and in a flash he dove towards me and slid feet first into my shin, knocking me down. Jumping up and standing over me, he plunged down with his include script. My life flashed before my eyes as I saw that glowing roll of code nearing my vital organs, and I knew this was the end. I mentally prepared myself for the worst, and….

STOP!

A post rang out from an unknown observer, the voice so commanding, so sure of itself. The terrorist above me faltered, not sure what to do really. He simply paused and waited for this new face to show itself. The crowd parted as a glowing face entered the thread, the cryptic text “anonymous guest” floating above his avatar. I knew by the uncertainty in the Split Deniers face that this man would get a chance to speak, if only for his almost angelic appearance. His embossed avatar a sign of a dignified graphic designer, his body tattooed from head to toe with signature quotes from great men in the history of the internet. He didn’t have the look of one of those pansy peacemakers or diplomats, he just looked determined, as if I had a job to do and was intent upon doing it.
“Your petty squabbles don’t normally interest me, but when innocent accounts are lost and pointless flame wars are waged, it’s time for intervention. You so called “Single Timeline Theorists,” I understand that your idol corporation seems like it “betrayed you,” but that isn’t the case. For years now both sides have been asking for an official timeline, you’ve wanted it. Not only are these “I don’t think nintendo has the right to mess with our affairs” argument hypocritical, but I’m sure if your roles were reversed you’d be criticizing the other side in opposite positions. Yes, the community was shaped by debate, and debate won’t suddenly disappear altogether because one side of one argument was proved wrong.”

Considering the fact that the Split Denier was still on top of me with a deadly script in his hand, I didn’t dare say anything out loud, but inwardly I knew he was cornered with that one, there was no way he’d be able to argue back.

“And you “Split timeline theorists,” The man continued “You’re almost worse than they are. You’re all gloating over a completely meaningless victory in a completely meaningless debate, while shooting down any opposing argument as being “idiotic,” or “ignorant of the facts.” Yes, you all won, no you don’t have to be asses about it.”

At this I was caught off-guard. My feelings were a mix of agreement and anger. I agreed with him, and yet he was insulting my people, my core beliefs. I truly was speechless, not knowing whether to mouth off at him or become some sort of disciple of his “ways.” By this time the terrorist had simply backed off, he knew that even if he attacked me, this man obviously had some sort of power, and he wasn’t about to piss him off.

“Whether or not you’re right or wrong, the important thing to remember is that timeline theory is completely pointless. Posting a bunch of 1000 word essays on the importance of link’s hat throughout the series and how it proves that the minigame in Four Swords Adventures was actually the first event in hyrule’s history doesn’t make you intelligent or above any other fan, it just means that you have a small enough social life to give time to your gigantic theories. In the end, it’s just a game, and in the end, the timeline doesn’t make a dang bit of difference. If you’d just stop treating it so seriously, perhaps this pointless melodrama about “Nintendo’s Rights” and flame wars wouldn’t happen in the first place. Yeah, it’s fun to debate about it, but when you take it so seriously that you convince yourself it’s actually important, at that point you’re just asking for problems.”

We all stood there, the crowd, my partner and I, the Split Denier. The day the community stood still. At that the man just sort of glared at all of us, not an angry glare really, but one of conviction. With a flash he simply disappeared. No one said anything, there really wasn’t much to say. We all just walked back to our various sites and threads, thinking about what “anonymous user” had said.

It was sometime later when we realized that anonymous posting was actually not enabled at ZU, the trace on his IP turned up nothing, it was listed as a series of blank underscores. I guess we were expecting to discover it was one of the community demagogues, like TSA, TML, or Jack from TDC. But no, we really don’t know who or what it was, and I guess we never will. All we can do is finish the road to recovery after that fateful day. A lot has happened since then, and the words of the mysterious Anonyangel, as some were calling him, were still ringing in our ears. Perhaps this all was a game, perhaps what we did didn’t really matter, and maybe if we could just take things a little less seriously and enjoy what we’ve got in the community, we’d all be a little better off.

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    The TML has great love for you Leinator, for the TML has not yet deleted the accounts of people who promised to write for the ‘Blog and have yet to write a single post ever. Long live the TML, for he is good.

    Not to mention that the TML is not one to go onto ZU and start posting timeline drivel. The TML is above such horrific displays of Internet behaviour. Just for the record.

    Huh. You said that was meant to offend both sides, yet I am not offended. Maybe I’m side-deficient. :(

    Seriously, though, that was well written. Thank you for putting it here. I’ll probably post more after I have time to chew on this for a bit.

    Well, at first, when I heard the news of a split-timeline, I was angered, but I’m not n00b enough to attack forums or anything. Then I assume that they said that because it sounds logical, so I still stick to my single-timeline theory. I won’t complain about others, as long as no wars breakout, then we’re cool. Perhaps the Anonymous user was someone from the government, since they have the control over the Internet, and would probably make a special IP address to avoid being tracked by us people. I’d understand why the Government would do this, I mean, the way the wars were going on, going from forum to forum, it would have been hard on everyone else because of all the waisted data suddenly pouring into the Internet. I could be wrong, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

    this is the first i have heard of a split timeline and while i would have found it less heard to follow a single timeline if a split one allows them to keep makeing games then so be it as long as they dont mess with the old ones.
    P.S.

    The Missing Link said:

    The TML has great love for you Leinator, for the TML has not yet deleted the accounts of people who promised to write for the ‘Blog and have yet to write a single post ever. Long live the TML, for he is good.

    TML as always you come up with the prefect line how do you do it?

    I never really cared if there was a single timeline or a split timeline as long as they kept makeing the games, im just intrigued at the possibility of the two Link’s maybe joining forces someday to wage war against evil in both realities.

    hmm,kind of alot of swearing in the article.shouldn’t some of that be blanked off or something :? ?

    anyways I really dont have a strong opinion about timelines.I did however disprove nintendos “split time line” idea….but for some reason everybody chose to ignore what I said -_-’ .ah well,such is life.

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:

    Well, at first, when I heard the news of a split-timeline, I was angered, but I’m not n00b enough to attack forums or anything. Then I assume that they said that because it sounds logical, so I still stick to my single-timeline theory. I won’t complain about others, as long as no wars breakout, then we’re cool. Perhaps the Anonymous user was someone from the government, since they have the control over the Internet, and would probably make a special IP address to avoid being tracked by us people. I’d understand why the Government would do this, I mean, the way the wars were going on, going from forum to forum, it would have been hard on everyone else because of all the waisted data suddenly pouring into the Internet. I could be wrong, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

    Bakka, the government doesn’t control the internet, Bill Gates does, but only until Google finishes buying it.

    leinator said:

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    What is a word anyway, can such a thing be evil in and of itself?

    Robert-UK said:

    I never really cared if there was a single timeline or a split timeline as long as they kept makeing the games, im just intrigued at the possibility of the two Link’s maybe joining forces someday to wage war against evil in both realities.

    I never really cared a whole lot if there was a timeline at all. I just want the frikkin games.

    And I think leinator made aserious uderstatement with a 1000 word essay, I’ve seen twelve page website entries on this subject. I don’t have a long enough life span as a human attention span to read something like that though.
    BTW, I found this cool guy hopping around the web in the middle of all the chaos that was the aftermath of the split-time annoucment.
    (\__/)
    (=’.'=)
    (”)_(”)
    I think his is Usagi-Sama.

    He looks better in different fonts.

    leinator said:

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    seriously though,im sure there are little kids who read this site so at the very least you could just remove some of the letters in the words.

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    leinator said:

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    seriously though,im sure there are little kids who read this site so at the very least you could just remove some of the letters in the words.

    This is true. However, go onto most forums, blogs, or even several [fan] sites today, and you’ll find that there is a lot more of swearing, or inappropriate references or content. When kids come on the Internet, they or their parents (saying they actually, um, parent?) should know what they are getting themselves into and what to expect, and make preparations as needed.

    As a supporter of the single timeline at the time, I was deeply saddened by this tragedy, for now I have to reconstruct my theory completely. *sigh* Such frustrating work.

    Nice, juicy, long article though. I enjoyed it.

    ‘BLOGITES REJOICE! ZELDABLOG LIVES!

    Ahem… I know it’s a little late for that, but with a deficiency of articles (And especially of guest collumnists), it’s gotta be said…

    Saying that, and especially you mentioning Jack of TDC, made this article a very enjoyable one indeed.

    And a thought here…

    Heh… if that actually happened over here on the various zelda forums, and with Jack’s absence taken into consideration, it would be an interesting match-up if such a thing were to occur… Jack as the anomynangel…

    Legendary_Blade said:When kids come on the Internet, they or their parents (saying they actually, um, parent?) should know what they are getting themselves into and what to expect, and make preparations as needed.

    thats exactly the thing though,its in the ‘blog rules that there is no swearing allowed.that would tell me atleast that its a site that kids could safely go to.

    i dont do timelines so i dont really care :P

    Dark Mime Gogo said:

    ‘BLOGITES REJOICE! ZELDABLOG LIVES!

    *rejoices*

    Great article, cant wait to see more from you.

    And I wasnt offended at all. But then offending me is nearly impossible, so meh.

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    Legendary_Blade said:When kids come on the Internet, they or their parents (saying they actually, um, parent?) should know what they are getting themselves into and what to expect, and make preparations as needed.

    thats exactly the thing though,its in the ‘blog rules that there is no swearing allowed.that would tell me atleast that its a site that kids could safely go to.

    Ah, forgot about that. Guess that’s cuz I never did it anyway, or just censored it with Navi censoring :)

    Perhaps we should clear the swearing, though it is a very useful device in this case.

    Legendary_Blade said:Perhaps we should clear the swearing, though it is a very useful device in this case.

    … that might be a good idea

    I understand that there’s religious opposition to swearing and all, but seriously folks, saying “damn” once or twice and “bastard” once isn’t going to doom you to hell for eternity, nor is it going to traumatize you for life. If you’re worried that your parents are going to catch you visiting sites that support the portal of demons into this mortal world with the teachings of satan (aka light swearing), then just clear your internet history.

    Don’t be so damn sensitive.

    Well, that is a very, ummm…..interesting article, to say the least. Well, I used to be a single-timeline timelinist, but, well, like so few others, I take everything said by those big guys seriousely. So, well, 5, 1, 2, 3, 4 and split. That’s my motto…well, now it is :P . But, yeah, I bet there are a lot of people out there who were just, well…pished (Kudos to Terry Pratchett), but, the mysterious anonyangel is (technically was, but still is) right: we keep on beggin’ the N-guys ter give us a solid, official timeline, and when they reveal even part of it, people just lose control! And the battlefields will be filled with banned corpses *Imagines a great battlefield with dark earth, bodies lying around, a storm raging, and one man standing, above all the others. Yes, that is Shigeru Miyamoto, with his ultimatum 5-1-2-3 theory*

    Well, I’ve pretty much made my point, but I just HAVE to say something before leavin’ ter bed

    The Missing Link said:

    Long live the TML, for he is good.

    Amen

    well..whatever man -_-

    sorry ZELDAFAN!n_n, my last post, i wasnt ment for you :oops:

    oh BLAST, “IT” wasnt ment for you double oops

    Sesshorochikuramaru said:

    sorry ZELDAFAN!n_n, i wasnt ment for you :oops:

    He must be crushed :(

    leinator said:

    He must be crushed :(

    haha, i think i hit insert or something. “sorry ZELDAFAN!n_n, my last post, it wasnt ment for you” thats what i ment :p

    I’m going to put my foot down on this one at once so we don’t argue over it in the conversation:

    leinator, read Rule 4; it applies to you as much as it does everyone else, more so considering that I gave you posting privileges. Defending your decision is even a greater travesty. I’ve edited the post accordingly; don’t do it again.

    The rest of you, the comments section is not the place to discuss this; I don’t need fifteen people trying to play moderator here. If you have a problem with it, you E-mail me, and I will take care of it.

    End of story. The discussion about swearing stops here. Do not reply to this comment.

    Alright, I apologize. I honestly wasn’t aware of a rule against it in the first place. It won’t happen again, it was just there as a device for emphasis and tone, but it isn’t necessary.

    Anyway, back to discussion.

    …………………. all i can say is… wow. Anouma was not thinking straight when he made up the “Split Timeline” theory… but at the same time, it does make sense, in a highly irradical way, and bsides, I was apposed to the split timeline when i saw the words, “Anouma declares split time-line!”… the first topic regarding the subject. i made up my own time-line, not only through hours of thinking but from speculation… *sigh* as it is said, “Nothing is perfect.” but why? is Life not perfect because of death? is knowledge not perfect because of ignorance? are we ourselves not perfect because we are arguing over a… a timeline… that has no signifacance in the real world??! I ask you… are we corrupt through the thought that what happens in a video game can affect us in the real world? Apparently so. but i have no reason to talk. i am… mildly affected by the timeline thoeries that people come up with. they make no sense, and at the most make only a simple and basic outline of timeline. once again, i have no room to talk. It’s like Runescape. people have become so obssessed with it, that they will spend more time on it then in the real life. The same goes for the timeline. i keep revising my theory on the timeline because i base it on views that seem right to me. people around the world that play Zelda have become so obsessed with it that they will start flamewars if somebody doesnt agree with their views. As it has been, as it is now, as it will always be. “Nothing is perfect.”

    I know that this isnt really connected to the above topic but ive just got to tell you guys about something ive noticed, Koji Kondo the musician behind Zelda and many other Zelda games looks almost exactly like Tingle… very, very creepy.

    This is getting way too complicated! Fix this, TML!!! Fix this!!!

    Robert-UK said:

    I know that this isnt really connected to the above topic but ive just got to tell you guys about something ive noticed, Koji Kondo the musician behind Zelda and many other Zelda games looks almost exactly like Tingle… very, very creepy.

    We’ve known this for a long time… It’s quite possible that they based Tingle of Kondo-san.

    Heheh… debates, debates, debates… I can tell you that the debates over a TDC can get a bit… pointless. There was a whole debate about there allegedly being ‘more than 3 god(desses)’, and another debate that’s continued to this day over Whether or not Minish Cap can possibly be first. In the past few pages of the latter topic, the focus has shifted away from MC and gone towards FSA, with repeated arguments by a certain member as Ganon reincarnate in OoT, etcetera, etcetera…

    *Must think of a worthy thing to shift discussion to…*

    ahem…

    Give me a delete-post button or give me death!

    You know… just to umm… prevent double and triple posting so TML doesn’t get mad, eh?

    *is extremely nervous…*

    Uhh. Grog not like timeline. Why timeline? Grog just want to hit stuff with sword. Grog go think about this…

    Me Am Grog said:

    Uhh. Grog not like timeline. Why timeline? Grog just want to hit stuff with sword. Grog go think about this…

    exactly,I’m perfectly content while im playing LOZ :D !

    I dont think there is a time line,let alone two.the older games wern’t designed to fit into a timeline so its not possible for nintendo to piece it all together and make a time-line.I also dont believe the split time-line could work either since-based on MM-time traveling erases the future,thus eliminating the possibility of a split time-line (i.e. time traveling leaves no messes :P ).I think nintendo just wanted to make some extra fans happy by giving them a timeline.however,I think people just wanted nintendo to be more consistent with what they do.you know,dont reshape hyrule every game,keep some references in the new games,dont make the minish go extinct (along with several other races).if they would do that people would be able to make timelines that they could be happy with.but alas,nintendo seems to hate there creations so much so that they have to destroy them all (look at LA :) ).

    Wow. I had no idea about this. This is honestly the first time I heard it confirmed, and its a month later. Wow. So typical of me to miss out on pretty much the most important article this year… *sigh* I guess I better start reading…

    Heck, almost all cultures have myths about flooding, so maybe Wind Waker was all just a myth told years later it is the LEGEND of zelda, not the “True biography of all of the Zeldas’ lives”. Me guesses there’d proably be a difference between the two.

    Roflmao

    That was great. :’D Man, really, listen to that moral, the timline wars are pointless. Sure, it can be interesting to discuss theories and such, but flaming is not the answer.

    Robert-UK said:

    I know that this isnt really connected to the above topic but ive just got to tell you guys about something ive noticed, Koji Kondo the musician behind Zelda and many other Zelda games looks almost exactly like Tingle… very, very creepy.

    Split timline, my good man, Koji Kondo is Tingle from our timeline, but since our timeline has abondoned magic and such he no longer wants to be a fairy, he wants be the other kind of creepy, music composer.

    When I was still fairly new to Zelda, I tried to make a somewhat convincing single timeline theory. I used to think that the split timeline possibility was just a bunch of yahoo. After failing to makes sense of the timeline using one timeline, I decide to think about how things could happen by the belief that time was split at the end of OoT, and stuff just made more sense. I was never fully dedicated to the timeline, though, and when I failed to form any convincing timeline theories for Twilight Princess to be included in, I just said ’screw it’ and just enjoy the games for what they are; a wonderful series of video games. Actually, it was some of the pointless debates that made me a less active member of the Zelda community. I still come back here every once in a while.

    Actually, the timeline debating of the Zelda community has kind of formed a big online Triforce. The split timeliners have the Triforce of Power, believing that confirmation of their side have given them the upper hand in the debate. The Single Timeliners that are still loyal to their beliefs have been granted the Triforce of Courage. These timeliners still stand for the timeline to which they were so dedicated, even if the odds seem against them. Those that don’t care one way or another about the timeline are situated with the Triforce of Wisdom. They are dedicated to the games themselves. They don’t care if the timeline is single or split. As long as Nintendo keeps making Zelda games, they are content.
    That was probably not the best comparison, I could think of, but… yeah.

    Robert-UK said:

    I never really cared if there was a single timeline or a split timeline as long as they kept makeing the games, im just intrigued at the possibility of the two Link’s maybe joining forces someday to wage war against evil in both realities.

    I gotta agree with him. It doesn’t matter what timeline you’re a fan of. What matters is the games. And Link, but that’s another story

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    leinator said:

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    seriously though,im sure there are little kids who read this site so at the very least you could just remove some of the letters in the words.

    Iagree. I am no strangr to profanity, but if my sister ever sees this site she will be foreveer shamed

    I never really got into the whole timeline debate - just trying to think about it gave me a headache (and its not right that things you enjoy should ever cause you pain!). But I remember reading about Aonumas comment and I couldn’t help thinking…

    Bah! What a cop-out!

    Seriously, the guy couldn’t place the WW in a single timeline so he just made it a parallel reality. If at first you don’t suceed - blame it on alternative realities ;)

    Nice little fiction there leinator, you should definitely post more :)

    Interesting article! I really liked it!

    Oh and timelime wars are scary as shipping wars X____x *runs away and hides*

    Forgive my ignorance (and divergence from topic) but … what, exactly, is a “shipping war?” Is that an argument over when an item will be shipped? 0_

    Sorry for the double post, but for some reason the second half of my message didn’t show up as part of post 41. Anyway, I wanted to tell you, Kojinka, that I actually thought your post (#36) was sorta profound. :)

    And if we want to take Kojinka’s post into the bigger picture…

    Liberals = Triforce of power, beliefs supported by a lot of modern philosophy and reason.

    Conservatives = Triforce of courage. Stick with traditional morals and ideals no matter what anyone says.

    Libertarians (and an assortment of other parties with similar beliefs) = Triforce of wisdom, they don’t really care what the heck anyone chooses to believe or do, as long as it doesn’t hurt another human life.

    Ocarina_of_Twilight said:

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    leinator said:

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    seriously though,im sure there are little kids who read this site so at the very least you could just remove some of the letters in the words.

    Iagree. I am no strangr to profanity, but if my sister ever sees this site she will be foreveer shamed

    Only because of your spelling. And TML closed that discussion so there’s no need to bring it back up.

    leinator said:

    And if we want to take Kojinka’s post into the bigger picture…

    Liberals = Triforce of power, beliefs supported by a lot of modern philosophy and reason.

    Conservatives = Triforce of courage. Stick with traditional morals and ideals no matter what anyone says.

    Libertarians (and an assortment of other parties with similar beliefs) = Triforce of wisdom, they don’t really care what the heck anyone chooses to believe or do, as long as it doesn’t hurt another human life.

    That one doesn’t make much sense. We who care not about the Timeline have Wisdom because we’re wise enough not to get involved with things that start flame wars. Also, for the same reason it is not wise to discuss religion, I don’t think its a good idea to discuss politics.

    Weeeeeeeeeeel……What if…there are more than two timelines? Is there…another split? A double-split timeline? Triple timeline? “What’s up with him?” You might ask each other. Another timeline split? Is it too unlikely?

    Ok, I’m getting ahead of myself…let’s start at the beginning! n_n

    First off, what caused the split? Time travel. Time travel caused the evil, evil! holy infamous split timeline, creating a second world.

    Ok, that’s out of the way. What other game upfills those conditions? What else? Oracle of Ages. Oracle of Ages most likely causes another split. Ridiculous, you say? Well, they already did it once, can’t they do it again?

    Think about it. Really, think about it.

    Oh, and Sesshorochikuramaru (quite peculiar name…), no hard feelings, I forgive you. Daijobu! :D

    ZELDAFAN!n_n said:
    Oh, and Sesshorochikuramaru (quite peculiar name…), no hard feelings, I forgive you. Daijobu! :D

    haha, thanks :)

    Light Walker said:

    Forgive my ignorance (and divergence from topic) but … what, exactly, is a “shipping war?” Is that an argument over when an item will be shipped? 0_

    im pretty sure its when people do the same flaming thing they do with time-lines,only they do it with which girl link likes best :roll: .

    ZELDAFAN!n_n said:Ok, that’s out of the way. What other game upfills those conditions? What else? Oracle of Ages. Oracle of Ages most likely causes another split. Ridiculous, you say? Well, they already did it once, can’t they do it again?

    the only reason link is supposed to create another dimension in OOT is because it looks like he stayed in the future and went back in time. what makes that different from OOA is that he comes back to the present time before the game ends, thus eliminating any possibility that he still exists in the past.however,everything he did in the past is still accounted for,just not necessarily remembered ;) .but,like I said,the split timeline theory is impossible because it was caused with time travel via the ocarina of time, the ocarina of time-based on majoras mask-rewinds time back instead of transporting the player to a certain point in time, and as a result would not allow link to exist in the future since only the time link was sent to would exist. with this you have two choices: either 1) the split timeline theory is wrong or 2) The ocarina of time is broken in OOT :| .

    It’s not broken, it simply works in more than one way… *coughplotdevicecoughcough*

    ok then,what triggered it to work differently in MM :P ?

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    ok then,what triggered it to work differently in MM :P ?

    Why, the Nintendo N64 Expansion Pack of course.

    • 51. EA says:

    This was excellent, leinator :)

    Volcan said:

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    ok then,what triggered it to work differently in MM :P ?

    Why, the Nintendo N64 Expansion Pack of course.

    thats cheating….then again we are talking about nintendo here :? .

    Shinigami Ninja said:

    Ocarina_of_Twilight said:

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    leinator said:

    Harsh times call for harsh language my good man, we live in an age where morality has come to mean so little in perspective to the tragedy that has destroyed our once prosperous society.

    seriously though,im sure there are little kids who read this site so at the very least you could just remove some of the letters in the words.

    Iagree. I am no strangr to profanity, but if my sister ever sees this site she will be foreveer shamed

    Only because of your spelling. And TML closed that discussion so there’s no need to bring it back up.

    leinator said:

    And if we want to take Kojinka’s post into the bigger picture…

    Liberals = Triforce of power, beliefs supported by a lot of modern philosophy and reason.

    Conservatives = Triforce of courage. Stick with traditional morals and ideals no matter what anyone says.

    Libertarians (and an assortment of other parties with similar beliefs) = Triforce of wisdom, they don’t really care what the heck anyone chooses to believe or do, as long as it doesn’t hurt another human life.

    That one doesn’t make much sense. We who care not about the Timeline have Wisdom because we’re wise enough not to get involved with things that start flame wars. Also, for the same reason it is not wise to discuss religion, I don’t think its a good idea to discuss politics.

    That’s the entire point of libertarianism, they don’t care, just do what you want. It’s the political equivalent of “I don’t care about the timeline-ists.”

    :roll: :cry: :oops: :evil: :) :D :P ;) 8O :x :( :O

    Or everytime you go back in time in MM, the timeline splits again…

    the split timeline theory is impossible because it was caused with time travel via the ocarina of time, the ocarina of time-based on majoras mask-rewinds time back instead of transporting the player to a certain point in time, and as a result would not allow link to exist in the future since only the time link was sent to would exist. with this you have two choices: either 1) the split timeline theory is wrong or 2) The ocarina of time is broken in OOT

    Or every time you go back in time in MM, the timeline splits… or the Master Sword splits the timeline when it’s used, while the Ocarina rewinds and keeps a single timeline…. I don’t know. Sorry about the above post, I really don’t understand this quoting system.

    Well, having a split everytime you go back in time in MM would just mess with Termina’s integral time. We don’t care about that! But, in all seriousness, I think that the magic is within the masks:

    Happy Mask Salesman said in MM:

    All those masks you have collected are filled with happiness

    And all those small scenes in the end suggest that collecting the masks made everything you did happen, even though it only happened in one 3-day cycle, each (or more). I think that the masks have magical power and hold the memory of what happened, MAKING it happen on the dawn of the new day! Thus, all those spoils of time travel are gone.

    ……Ok, a bit farfetched, but it could be true! Otherwise, it’s Termina and has nothing to do with Hyrule! *nods*

    Twilit said:

    the split timeline theory is impossible because it was caused with time travel via the ocarina of time, the ocarina of time-based on majoras mask-rewinds time back instead of transporting the player to a certain point in time, and as a result would not allow link to exist in the future since only the time link was sent to would exist. with this you have two choices: either 1) the split timeline theory is wrong or 2) The ocarina of time is broken in OOT

    Or every time you go back in time in MM, the timeline splits… or the Master Sword splits the timeline when it’s used, while the Ocarina rewinds and keeps a single timeline…. I don’t know. Sorry about the above post, I really don’t understand this quoting system.

    if it created a split the future kid link would have no way of going back in time and he would die with terminia :D .