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Three Dimensions Only

January 27th, 2007 at 12:20 pm by JC

The roots of the Legend of Zelda are written with two letters: x and y. The series started off as a 2D game that would eventually set the standards for what 2D adventure games should be about. The sheer brute force of the first Legend of Zelda for the NES is still unparalleled today. When comparing the game to not only other games from today and yesterday, but to other games in the Zelda series, that simple 2D game really defines what a classic is all about.

Following the major success of the first Zelda game, Nintendo finally geared up and made a sequel: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link. While still defining what the Legend of Zelda series is all about, it was still but a simple 2D adventure game that is just as classic as it’s predecessor. Don’t worry, friends. The history lesson is far from over.

The Zelda series by this time was cemented in the minds of young and old Nintendo fans. With the coming of the Super Nintendo, Zelda had a chance to evolve once more with a little title called A Link to the Past. This third installment played like the original game after people were not too pleased with the game play mechanics in Zelda II.. A Link to the Past was nothing short of a masterpiece and yet another classic for Nintendo. The game added to the Zelda lore as did every other Zelda title before it.

So, what exactly am I getting at here?

Looking back on these three games, they really set the foundation of what any Zelda game should be about. These three classics, rich with game play mechanics, designs, characters, music, and heart that no other game series has yet to match. Here’s the twist, though:

They are all 2D games.

However, 2D Zelda games weren’t tackled down after A Link to the Past. With the advent of Nintendo’s first portable video game system, the Game Boy, Zelda made the jump to this newer platform of gaming and made yet another evolutionary jump that added much more to the Zelda universe with Link’s Awakening.

With every new Zelda game from the beginning of the series to the first 3D installment, Ocarina of Time, everything was set in place to make yet another evolutionary jump for the series, and everything that was needed was in these simple 2D games.

All of the 2D games up to and including Link’s Awakening contain all the classic elements that make Zelda into the masterpiece it is. When these elements are either maintained or changed up a bit, Zelda always comes through stronger than ever. This was to be the case with the birth of Ocarina of Time.

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was the first 3D game for the Zelda series. Not only did it define what an entire generation of 3D adventures should be about, it redefined what the Zelda series is about. It did this only through the elements that the first four 2D Zelda titles showed off.

With four 2D titles spanning across 4 Nintendo systems, the Legend of Zelda has now become a gaming phenomenon. Ocarina of Time easily became one of the best-selling games of all time and introduced even the younger children of today and yesterday to the Legend of Zelda. Obviously, the next move would be to continue Zelda’s tradition. But, with what?

A 3D game.

Nintendo, with the next installment to the series, Majora’s Mask, obviously wanted to cash in on Ocarina of Time’s success and wanted more money as soon as they could get it. Created from the framework that powered Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask was published in the year 2000, only two years after Ocarina of Time had blown everyone out of the water.

People up to this very minute debate whether or not Majora’s Mask outdoes Ocarina of Time. The fan base is actually quite divided over this topic. Back then, they were, too. With the huge success of Ocarina and the new world that Majora’s Mask introduced, Zelda fans were lost in 3D madness.

Finally, in the year 2001, just a year after another successful 3D installment to the series, a set of 2D Zelda games would be released for the Game Boy Color. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages were released finally released. While still retaining the classic Zelda elements of the first four 2D Zelda titles, the Oracles proved to be a mild success, while barely selling a million copies. Not many Zelda fans picked up these titles back in the day, but now, finally, they’ve become set in stone and tried and true Zelda titles.

But, the main focus of the Oracles and mediocre they did, sales-wise, shows how people and Zelda fans in general were slowly losing interest in the 2D Zelda games, the games that are truest to the Zelda franchise.

One of the most pivotal points in Zelda’s long, 20-year history was when the next 3D installment was announced. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, with sleek 3D cartoon graphics, displayed beautifully on Nintendo’s next 3D console, the Gamecube, caused a massive jolt in the Zelda community in the year 2002.

Once more, fans were divided over something: The Wind Waker’s graphic style. Many people praised the game’s cartoon style, screaming that it’s adding to the series, while the rest either didn’t care or hated it to no end. Finally, when the Wind Waker hit store shelves in March of 2003, it scored a tremendous three million copies sold, still not out-selling Ocarina of Time. However, it still had much more hype behind it than the recent 2D titles before the Wind Waker, and the sales show it.

Next up in this history lesson is a little 2D game titled The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords. Released with a Game Boy Advance re-release of A Link to the Past, Four Swords ultimately became the most-overlooked Zelda title in the franchise’s history. This was due in part not only because it had The Wind Waker-style graphics, but it was a multiplayer title. You needed people to play the game with. This was an automatic turn-off for fans of the series.

With no new 3D Zelda games in the forecast, Nintendo put out a 2D title…for the Gamecube. The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures was released in 2004. This time, a Zelda game could be played alone or with friends. Ultimately, the game failed to spark anything for the series or it’s fan like Ocarina of Time or The Wind Waker could.

In most recent Zelda history, all the way back at E3 2004, a new 3D Zelda game was announced. Only a 3D Zelda game could cause a huge spark for Zelda fans now. This new installment, with even more realistic Ocarina of Time graphics, seemed to be the ‘savior’ for the series since fans paid almost no attention to any of the Four Swords games, or the graphic style of The Wind Waker, which was eventually used again in yet another over-looked title released in 2005 called The Minish Cap.

With a new 3D Zelda game on the rise and the popularity of 2D Zelda games decreasing, all Zelda fans saw was the new 3D game, soon to be titled ‘Twilight Princess’.

Almost inevitably, Twilight Princess was delayed on August 16th, 2005, more than a year after the game was announced. After this initial delay, Zelda fans would not see the game for more than a year, when it was finally transferred to the Nintendo Wii from the Gamecube.

However, throughout the course of the long wait for Twilight Princess, Nintendo released the DS, the successor to the Game Boy franchise. The DS was capable of doing 3D on the go, so to speak. Inevitably, a Zelda title was announced for the Nintendo DS. Since the DS was the successor the Game Boy, you’d think this would be a 2D Zelda title, right? WRONG!

It’s happened, folks. Even on a handheld system, Zelda is no longer 2D. Also, finally, I’ve come to the main point of this article. 2D Zelda games are no longer a mainstay for the series, and the Zelda title for the DS, Phantom Hourglass, proves it.

Perhaps it’s just the trend of the video game industry, or perhaps it’s because of declining sales, this article makes a point. It shows that Zelda, through every form it’s gone through, has it’s roots in 2D. But, could it really have been diminished? The hype for 2D Zelda games? Let’s face it, though, all 2D Zelda games after Ocarina of Time were either shadowed by a 3D release or not cared about because of graphics, or the hype of another Zelda game overshadowed it.

For Phantom Hourglass, this is the case. Right now, it’s being shadowed by Twilight Princess hype-wise and graphics wise, since the game has The Wind Waker’s controversial graphic style. And, get this, Phantom Hourglass is not even 2D!

So, what am I trying to say? What Zelda actually is, a collection of 2D masterpieces, is finally being shifted and cemented into the world of 3D. It’s being shown on Nintendo’s newest and best consoles to date. But, these handheld titles are proving to be underdogs, almost.

What road might 2D Zelda games and Zelda handhelds take? Well, Phantom Hourglass could either make or break the 2D aspect of the franchise, believe it or not. How? For the past 6 years, 2D Zelda games have been released on handheld systems. If Phantom Hourglass proves to be yet another possible failure like some of the other 2D titles were, Nintendo may even do away with them. Nintendo is still a company and they need to make some profit off whatever they make or publish, you know.

Only time can tell what becomes of 2D Zelda games. Of course all of them have been some of the best experience when it comes to the Legend of Zelda, they still need to generate money. Making games isn’t cheap and Nintendo definitely knows that. The popularity of the 2D titles has declined over the years, thanks to 3D titles. Perhaps this is why Phantom Hourglass is in 3D, the first 3D Zelda on a handheld. Maybe Nintendo is trying to appeal to more people with new 3D graphics instead of the older, 2D look of the NES, SNES, and Gameboys.

So, what do you think?

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    Anyone who dares call the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time 2D needs an eye exam. ;) Otherwise, you’re effectively spot on.

    I guess I need to cross this topic off of my backup topics list now, eh? ;)

    BLASPHEMY! 2D Zelda WILL come back! I was RAISED on 2D Zelda, and will not see it go without a fight. So there. Sorry.

    hmm,while I agree with you that alot of the newer 2D games are unpopular and overlooked,I dont think that means people dislike 2d games in genral.I mean,lets face it,the four swords series seems more like a failed experiment then it does a expansion to the zelda series.I myself have never played four swords (for reasons already stated),but ive read enough to tell FS is just like FSA but with different game play.minish cap was ok but seemed rushed.I think those games ar unpopular for those reasons more than for the fact that there 2D.I personally think some of the older games are better than the newer ones,even if its just for the feel of the game,some of the others just feel…lacking.

    and it is possible that nintendo could stop making 2D because they think people dont like it,thats just how thet are.how do I know that? simple…fire emblem.from the looks of things there will never be a new 2D FE.nintendo shows no interest in making more 2D FEs and instead seem overjoyed with there stupid 3D games.problem is,unlike zelda,fire emblem stinks in 3D.

    ofcoarse…it might work as a DS release.Fe just dosnt work on the TV :) .but to answer your question: I think nintendos just experimenting like they always do.

    *looks at post* wow…too long 0_o’ .

    This is sad but true, 2D is dying, now that handhelds can do 3D there is no point, because us, the people who like 2D, can play 3D, but main stream gamers, just like most only will play shooters, they will only play 3D, because, well when 2D was popular, gaming wasn’t, so they never played it.

    Only people like me who playe lttp as they’re first Zelda game realize how good 2D is… In a few years, it will be gone forever.

    Yeah, ALttP Was a good game. Now, the only way I can play it on TV is on the Game Boy Player on my GCN. I bet some time in the future, perhaps another “more than half a decade” will the 2-D’s will be released again, maybe for a system that makes the Wii look like a NES now. I would like to play LA alteast once, but I don’t know anyone in my area who has one.

    Phantom Hourglass is not 3d. Sure it uses 3d graphics, but it is shot at a 3/4 view angle. But I agree that 2d games are disipearing.

    Flava said:

    Phantom Hourglass is not 3d. Sure it uses 3d graphics, but it is shot at a 3/4 view angle. But I agree that 2d games are disipearing.

    I agree. It is actually 2.5D, which means that it’s graphics are 3D but you move in 2D. It’s like New Super Mario Bros, basically.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:

    Actually, you can get ALTTP for the Wii’s Virtual Console.

    Yeah, ALttP Was a good game. Now, the only way I can play it on TV is on the Game Boy Player on my GCN. I bet some time in the future, perhaps another “more than half a decade” will the 2-D’s will be released again, maybe for a system that makes the Wii look like a NES now. I would like to play LA alteast once, but I don’t know anyone in my area who has one.

    ALttP is my favorite game in the series. It was the first LoZ that I played, and it will always be my favorite. I actually prefer 2D LoZ’s over 3D LoZ’s, but I still love Zelda in 3D.

    Jario said:

    Actually, you can get ALTTP for the Wii’s Virtual Console.

    Yes you can! I just need 800 Wii Points and it’s as good as mine!

    But I know what you’re getting at JC. This isn’t only Zelda titles that are on the 2D decline, it’s about every series that was 2D that is going on the downward spiral, or has already made it to the bottom. If I could get a hold of a 2D FE like Ninja Lord Kakashi said, I would do it in a heartbeat. Or another 2D Metroid or Mario Bros. for that matter. It’s just that people new to gaming don’t even spare a glance at 2D games, and most of the gaming population is noobs, no offense. I see more and more of them when I play games like Gears of War and Halo 2 over Xbox Live. So really, the fate of Zelda 2D adventures lies in the popularity of Phantom Hourglass. Worried I am :? .

    I dont mind 2D, but my heart started on OoT. Thers nothing like that…. that feelimg of freedom.
    I tried FSA, but it was meh…

    shadowknight said:

    I dont mind 2D, but my heart started on OoT. Thers nothing like that…. that feelimg of freedom.
    I tried FSA, but it was meh…

    For what it’s worth, FSA pales in comparison to the likes of LttP and LA. It’s about as divergent from the Zelda Formula as AoL was, although not quite that much! ;)

    There are just a lot more possibilities in a 3D world when compared to a 2D world. You have an entire extra dimension to work with after all. Had Alttp come out today, it would not be considered as great as it currently is due to the current standards for games. In essence, 2D has become out of date, much as silent films became obsolete after sound came into the picture. (and actors become comfortable with it of course) Its not that movies in such a style were bad, its just that attempting to create such movies in this day and age is a step back from the evolution that has taken place to provide a better experience. (I’m no expert on movies though, just using this as a comparison to 2D at face value.)Its survival of the fittest, those series that are able to adapt to the 3D realm attain greater success then ever before, while those series that do not (coughsoniccough), are left behind.

    FSA is pretty good. It doesn’t need four players, and to me, is reminiscent to ALttP, with TWW graphics. We gotta stand together and… get TML working on a 2-D game, lol just kidding. Sadly, the 2-D games are disappearing fast. We just gotta tell the newbies (and n00bs) of the future how good the games were.

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    simple…fire emblem.from the looks of things there will never be a new 2D FE.nintendo shows no interest in making more 2D FEs and instead seem overjoyed with there stupid 3D games.problem is,unlike zelda,fire emblem stinks in 3D.

    ofcoarse…it might work as a DS release.Fe just dosnt work on the TV :) .but to answer your question: I think nintendos just experimenting like they always do.

    .

    The only reason you say that is cuz they shirked on the graphics departmen, made the most cliche and boring story line (only one real plot twist, which was fairly predictable), and they screwed up the most replayable part of the game, support conversations.

    but this isn’t fire emblem blog, personally I think that fussing over graphics so much that you will or won’t by a game because of graphics is stupid. If its 2D it can still look good. Take Advance Wars DS for example, it was 2D and it looked great! Also, I think its a bit more than just an art style or graphical problem with the 3D over 2D, its a gameplay thing more than anything else, at least for me. I find the third dimension to make the world more intersting, make the puzzles more satisfying, and make the bosses just plain more fun.

    Don’t worry; at some point some technology will come along to replace 3D and then all the people who were raised on Ocarina of Time will know how us old-skoolers feel.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:

    FSA is pretty good. It doesn’t need four players, and to me, is reminiscent to ALttP, with TWW graphics. We gotta stand together and… get TML working on a 2-D game, lol just kidding. Sadly, the 2-D games are disappearing fast. We just gotta tell the newbies (and n00bs) of the future how good the games were.

    You don’t have to bug TML, there are lots of people making 2D games at Zelda Fan Game Central.(http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php)

    Shinigami Ninja said:

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    simple…fire emblem.from the looks of things there will never be a new 2D FE.nintendo shows no interest in making more 2D FEs and instead seem overjoyed with there stupid 3D games.problem is,unlike zelda,fire emblem stinks in 3D.

    ofcoarse…it might work as a DS release.Fe just dosnt work on the TV :) .but to answer your question: I think nintendos just experimenting like they always do.

    .

    The only reason you say that is cuz they shirked on the graphics departmen, made the most cliche and boring story line (only one real plot twist, which was fairly predictable), and they screwed up the most replayable part of the game, support conversations.

    actually thats not what I was refering to.let me explain,the graphics are technically better in POR,and from the looks of it the same is true for the next one.but thats exactly the problem;the better graphics dont go well with the FE game play.I mean,it works great in the 2D ones,theres nothing wrong with there unit symbol showing where they are on the map or even a paladin taking there hourse in a building :P .but when it comes to the 3D games,it just dosent look right…it comes across almost clunky.also there is the fact that FE is more of a personal game and its kinda hard to play such a game on a TV.

    those are valid points you made however,plus there is the fact that they might have taken too much from the original FEs.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:I would like to play LA alteast once, but I don’t know anyone in my area who has one.

    are older game boy games hard to get? I got most of mine pretty easy (note:easy…..not cheap -_-)

    anyways,I think most new gamers probably turn away from the 2D games because they seem inferior.ofcoarse thats not the case,games like LA,LTTP,and the oracle games are more thought out then maybe even OOT (and I mean that :) )……that dosnt mean I wouldnt like to see some of those remade in 3D ;) .

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    are older game boy games hard to get? I got most of mine pretty easy (note:easy…..not cheap -_-)

    anyways,I think most new gamers probably turn away from the 2D games because they seem inferior.ofcoarse thats not the case,games like LA,LTTP,and the oracle games are more thought out then maybe even OOT (and I mean that :) )……that dosnt mean I wouldnt like to see some of those remade in 3D ;) .

    I don’t know that many video game fans here. Those who are, are into the Playstation and the X-Box mostly. As for buying one, I’m not sure which store would have one. I will look in the future, but not anytime soon.

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    Shinigami Ninja said:

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    simple…fire emblem.from the looks of things there will never be a new 2D FE.nintendo shows no interest in making more 2D FEs and instead seem overjoyed with there stupid 3D games.problem is,unlike zelda,fire emblem stinks in 3D.

    ofcoarse…it might work as a DS release.Fe just dosnt work on the TV :) .but to answer your question: I think nintendos just experimenting like they always do.

    .

    The only reason you say that is cuz they shirked on the graphics departmen, made the most cliche and boring story line (only one real plot twist, which was fairly predictable), and they screwed up the most replayable part of the game, support conversations.

    actually thats not what I was refering to.let me explain,the graphics are technically better in POR,and from the looks of it the same is true for the next one.but thats exactly the problem;the better graphics dont go well with the FE game play.I mean,it works great in the 2D ones,theres nothing wrong with there unit symbol showing where they are on the map or even a paladin taking there hourse in a building :P .but when it comes to the 3D games,it just dosent look right…it comes across almost clunky.also there is the fact that FE is more of a personal game and its kinda hard to play such a game on a TV.

    those are valid points you made however,plus there is the fact that they might have taken too much from the original FEs.

    Or it could be that they just didn’t develop the characters at all.

    Wasn’t Fire EMblem ORIGINALLY a home console game? I mean, there are only THREE out of NINE FE’s that are Portable.

    Hmm, Mayybe I’ll buy FSA ASAP, I want to see if I can get my 10 year old sister hooked on zelda…

    Dark Mime Gogo said:

    Wasn’t Fire EMblem ORIGINALLY a home console game? I mean, there are only THREE out of NINE FE’s that are Portable.

    that depends where you come from,lets look at how many have been translated…that changes our ratio to 1:3 ;) .you are right though,1-5 were home console games…but they would have probably worked better than POR simply because they were in 2D (which-as I stated in a post above-works much better than 3D as far as FE is concerned).por just had an awkward feel to it,I think nintendo just tried to do something with fire emblem that the series isnt capable of and that would be making it 3D (I mean come on! why not waist some more time and make 3D chess :P ? ).

    Shinigami Ninja said:Or it could be that they just didn’t develop the characters at all.

    also very true,exept for a select few characters (mostly laguz).

    Jumanji Shishioh said:As for buying one, I’m not sure which store would have one. I will look in the future, but not anytime soon.

    I got mine at a local gamestop,they usually go for $17.00 each .

    um…btw…just so nobody thinks im going off subject it may seem like it but im not….im just trying to show where nintendo is going with their games.

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    Shinigami Ninja said:

    Ninja Lord Kakashi said:

    simple…fire emblem.from the looks of things there will never be a new 2D FE.nintendo shows no interest in making more 2D FEs and instead seem overjoyed with there stupid 3D games.problem is,unlike zelda,fire emblem stinks in 3D.

    ofcoarse…it might work as a DS release.Fe just dosnt work on the TV :) .but to answer your question: I think nintendos just experimenting like they always do.

    .

    The only reason you say that is cuz they shirked on the graphics departmen, made the most cliche and boring story line (only one real plot twist, which was fairly predictable), and they screwed up the most replayable part of the game, support conversations.

    actually thats not what I was refering to.let me explain,the graphics are technically better in POR,and from the looks of it the same is true for the next one.but thats exactly the problem;the better graphics dont go well with the FE game play.I mean,it works great in the 2D ones,theres nothing wrong with there unit symbol showing where they are on the map or even a paladin taking there hourse in a building :P .but when it comes to the 3D games,it just dosent look right…it comes across almost clunky.also there is the fact that FE is more of a personal game and its kinda hard to play such a game on a TV.

    those are valid points you made however,plus there is the fact that they might have taken too much from the original FEs.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:I would like to play LA alteast once, but I don’t know anyone in my area who has one.

    are older game boy games hard to get? I got most of mine pretty easy (note:easy…..not cheap -_-)

    anyways,I think most new gamers probably turn away from the 2D games because they seem inferior.ofcoarse thats not the case,games like LA,LTTP,and the oracle games are more thought out then maybe even OOT (and I mean that :) )……that dosnt mean I wouldnt like to see some of those remade in 3D ;) .

    You payed alot of money? There was a LA on Amazon for $10. Though I got OoA instead.

    OoA was my first Zelda game. It rocks. I think the 2D ones are just as fun as the 3D ones, they’re just fun in different ways.

    Also, for this whole discussion, tke into consideration that 3D is kind of a buzz word. If it has 2D graphics and sprite animation then it seems to automatically get a gamespot/IGN rating of 7 or lower.

    hmm,was it links awakening DX ?

    anyways,maybe people dont like the newer 2D games because they dont like kid link :P .he seems to be the star of all the new games.maybe nintendo should consider making an older link be in one of their new 2D games if they make any.he does make the games feel kind of…uh…how would one put it?…childish perhaps :P ?

    Yeah, but the chibi Link was also in WW, don’t forget that.

    I’ve always liked the 2D games better. It wasn’t just the style of gameplay, but also that the difficulty of them always seemed higher. And they tended to draw me into the game that little bit more. Not necessarily because of story, but because the game required it me to be drawn in.

    I actually found it surprising that the “Wind Waker-style” (in quotes, because they don’t look a lot like the Wind Waker graphics to me) sprites in the GBA games weren’t more liked. Then again, I’m not the most mainstream Zelda fan (AoL is in my top three or four games).

    See ya later 2D! It’s been fun.

    Zelda isn’t about graphics – it’s about adventure.

    In »The Legend Of Zelda« I burnt every tree, bombed every wall to find secret treasures.
    And still today it is not sure if all treasures were found.

    In all 3D-titles I missed that feeling of »finding something hidden«.
    In »Wind Waker« you get tons of maps to collect the triforce-chests.
    In »Twilight Princess« you [TML: DO NOT TALK ABOUT SPOILERS UNLESS IT’S A SPOILER TOPIC].

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the 3d-titles, but for me there could be more things you have
    to find out for youself.

    I still hope for an extended »The Legend Of Zelda« with a world four times as big
    and sixteen dungeons, like the extended version of »Metroid« (called »Zero Mission«).

    Shinigami Ninja said:

    OoA was my first Zelda game. It rocks. I think the 2D ones are just as fun as the 3D ones, they’re just fun in different ways.

    That is true…in a way…But I do like the 3D games more. I think it’s just that I like being in that environment where you can strategically target the enemies, circle around them, use all sorts of cool techniques etc. Although, the 2D games are truly masterpieces. Especially ALttP. I just love that game…It’s actually longer than OoT! (But OoT is still my fav…then comes TP, and finally ALttP) Anyway, yeah, ALttP is great…In fact, I think it set the era of great Zelda games! I mean…different Zelda games. Nowadays, you always have some sort of…something that tells you where to go, what to do etc. Always some sort of guide. But, for that reason, they become much easier. But, it adds a storylike feel to it. Although, a downside for that is that you become bored of the game if you play it more than once, because you know everything! The first two games had much more of a challenge, a bit too much at times…but it makes them much more…replayable…whatever…

    So, yeah. Although the 2D games are really great, I like 3D more. And, I believe the era of the second dimension could very well come to an end…But, what if the 3D will yield…to the hidden fourth dimension? ;) I have to say, I’d actually like to see that! (If anyone mentions the fact (well, actually theory…I think…) that time is the fourth dimension, then I say “Then OoT wasn’t 3D, it was 4D!” ANd if it’s true, then I say “Well then…I’d like to see 5D!” 5D…*imagines a Zelda game in 5D* so pretty!)

    So, yeah, I guess one dimension just takes the place of another, huh?

    Bboy94 said:

    …there are lots of people making 2D games at Zelda Fan Game Central.(http://www.zfgc.com/forum/index.php)

    Hmmm…I think I’ll check that out…Goodbyes!

    would 4D be something like the FF cutscenes :P ? I would like to see that.but nintendo dosnt seem to care about graphics enough to go to those lengths .

    Nintedo has a game set out for the year 2187 which will be completely in 4-D. It will include 2-D and 3-D minigames, all which can be obtained by defeating 5-D bosses. Nintendo is debating on the title, but most likely, they will go with their initial title: The Legend Of Zelda: Link in Space.

    LoL. I can’t wait. Really. I can’t. I’ll be dead by then. ^_^

    Its a mistake to overlook the 2D Zelda titles just because they are 2D, I never worry about which game is better than which whether it be 2D or 3D, I just enjoy the games for what they are, I sincerely hope that the Minish Cap is not the last 2D Zelda game because I enjoyed this game immensely, good work Capcom, my failt in you is restored after the enjoyable but relatively uninteresting Oracle games.

    Bboy94 said:

    Yeah, but the chibi Link was also in WW, don’t forget that.

    that was in 3D though.I was thinking people dont like the 2D games with kid link in it.

    I think the reason 2D games are overlooked is because most of them are made by Capcom. I’m far more interested in PH than I ever was in Oracles or MC, simply because it’s being made by Nintendo. (FSA is an exception, but that game felt more like a failed experiment.)

    I dont see whats so wrong with Capcom,but that could be a reason people overlook the new 2d games.though,like I said,I dont see what the big deal is if Capcom makes them.

    Well, it isn’t made by Nintendo, but this fan made OOT in 2d (For the PC), and it’s getting a lot of attention.

    Zeldafreak said:

    Well, it isn’t made by Nintendo, but this fan made OOT in 2d (For the PC), and it’s getting a lot of attention.

    that must be interesting,what do they look like in it?

    Why doesn’t the RSS feed work anymore? RSS used to be a really cool feature of the site, and I’m pretty bummed that I can’t access it anymore. I continually get an “invalid link” error.

    NerdEgghead said:

    Why doesn’t the RSS feed work anymore? RSS used to be a really cool feature of the site, and I’m pretty bummed that I can’t access it anymore. I continually get an “invalid link” error.

    It’s times like this when things are BROKEN that you should contact me about that by E-mail. Until I read this, I had no idea.

    I’ll look into it. Please notify me by E-mail next time.

    I don’t get the point of this article. Every game from A Link to the Past on was a little more than 2D. Take a look at the dungeon in the Village of Outcasts.

    Mike Fireball said:

    I don’t get the point of this article. Every game from A Link to the Past on was a little more than 2D. Take a look at the dungeon in the Village of Outcasts.

    that dungeon wasnt really what you would call 3D.it was just paths on top of paths really.

    Zeldafreak said:

    Well, it isn’t made by Nintendo, but this fan made OOT in 2d (For the PC), and it’s getting a lot of attention.

    OoT2D(the original at least) has been going on for several years made by TRM. On that ZFGC url I posted earlier, was founded by the OoT2D project. It will be released soon, at TRM games.

    Mike Fireball said:

    I don’t get the point of this article. Every game from A Link to the Past on was a little more than 2D. Take a look at the dungeon in the Village of Outcasts.

    I think he means 2D as in graphically speaking. Sure, the game “exists” in 3D because you’ve got multiple floors, but aside from the rare times when you have to fall down from a floor above you, it’s really 2D.

    I mean, we could even say that the game is 4D because of the warp tiles or the mirror warping space so that it folds back onto itself, and 5D if you count time on top of that. But I don’t think you’ll truly find someone who proposes calling LttP 5D.

    I know what he meant. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, though.

    Go 2d oot!!!!!! I tried that at zfgc and it was GREAT!!!!!!!!!! Ahh, the nostalgia…although, I would have preffered 3d…(I wonder when they’ll release it for the virtual console?…) But, I wonder how the other one (TRM) is? Truth be told, I like the LA graphics more than the ALttP, but I guess that’s just because I played LA first. I also saw this game at another site, showing a link to “danielbarras.com” and now, after years of forgetting, I have found it! (Thanks!) But, there’s just one thing…I can’t get to the download page! Gaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanna play oot…T_T Well, maybe it’ll work later (pleeeeeaaaase!!!!!!!!!)

    ZELDAFAN!n_n said:
    I also saw this game at another site, showing a link to “danielbarras.com” and now, after years of forgetting, I have found it! (Thanks!) But, there’s just one thing…I can’t get to the download page! Gaaaaaaaah!!! I wanna play oot…T_T Well, maybe it’ll work later (pleeeeeaaaase!!!)

    Daniel Barras is the original creator of 2D-OoT. He’s been working on the project for a long while now, and every now and then reports come out that the game is nearing completion, but I do not think any more than the first temple is complete. As for the downloads page, I doubt it will be up any time soon, though I could very well be wrong.

    Daniel Barras is TRM! >_ZELDAFAN!n_n said:

    Go 2d oot!!!!!! I tried that at zfgc and it was GREAT!!!!!!!!!! Ahh, the nostalgia…although, I would have preffered 3d…(I wonder when they’ll release it for the virtual console?…) But, I wonder how the other one (TRM) is? Truth be told, I like the LA graphics more than the ALttP, but I guess that’s just because I played LA first. I also saw this game at another site, showing a link to “danielbarras.com” and now, after years of forgetting, I have found it! (Thanks!) But, there’s just one thing…I can’t get to the download page! Gaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanna play oot…T_T Well, maybe it’ll work later (pleeeeeaaaase!!!!!!!!!)

    It is a fain game, it isn’t made by Ninty, it won’t be on the VC.

    fain=fan

    Bboy94 said:

    It is a fain game, it isn’t made by Ninty, it won’t be on the VC.

    No, but they can release the original oot on the vc. THAT will be a very good day. X) Gooooooo OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT XD

    Yeah, I feel your pain, I’m part of the N64 generation. My generation is full of graphic noobs who can’t understand the difference between a cheap game with good graphics and a good game with good graphics. I got into zelda when I saw my friend play majora’s mask, so I tried to buy it and ended up buying Ocarina of Time, It horrified me, I didn’t beat it for another 4 1/2 years, I hated it that much, but I later bought mm, and beat it a year after buying it. I loved it, The oracle games when they were new, were just not fun at all. My true love of zelda didn’t happen until the GBA port of ALTTP. That’s my favorite game now. I’ve beaten it 12 times so far, and own it on GBA, SNES, and the Wii. I can’t get enough of it, I’ll buy it everytime they port it just to have more save files to beat it on. I’ve discovered since, that graphics are inferior to the music, and especially the story present in games.

    chubes said:

    Yeah, I feel your pain, I’m part of the N64 generation. My generation is full of graphic noobs who can’t understand the difference between a cheap game with good graphics and a good game with good graphics. I got into zelda when I saw my friend play majora’s mask, so I tried to buy it and ended up buying Ocarina of Time, It horrified me, I didn’t beat it for another 4 1/2 years, I hated it that much, but I later bought mm, and beat it a year after buying it. I loved it, The oracle games when they were new, were just not fun at all. My true love of zelda didn’t happen until the GBA port of ALTTP. That’s my favorite game now. I’ve beaten it 12 times so far, and own it on GBA, SNES, and the Wii. I can’t get enough of it, I’ll buy it everytime they port it just to have more save files to beat it on. I’ve discovered since, that graphics are inferior to the music, and especially the story present in games.

    Finnaly a sensible guy from the N64 era!

    I heart OoT. (waits for vc release)

    MM was better IMO.

    Btw, wouldn’t a TP remake of MM be cool? Like TP graphics and controls, but still MM. I wanted to put on my Goron Mask and roll every time I saw one of the rolling indents on Death mountain.

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