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Where’d It All Go?

January 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pm by JC

Alright, let’s state the obvious. We’re all Zelda fans here at this fine blog. The latest child that’s been born into our lovely little fan base for the Zelda series is none other than the now legendary Twilight Princess. Yes, it’s already legendary thanks to it’s enormous hype and even bigger fan base. It’s these two things that made this game happen.

So, how’d that all go? Well, Nayru only knows how long this game has been in production. But, reports say it’s been in development sometime during the end or middle of The Wind Waker’s production. Ever since those days…the days of ‘Cel-Da’, not many things have pleased fans. Naturally, Nintendo took a step forward and started to make Twilight Princess for us fans.

I’m done stating the obvious, friends. Twilight Princess has come just as fast as it left. That’s right, boys and girls. I’ve noticed recently that, throughout not only the Zelda Community but society itself, Twilight Princess is almost non-existent. Don’t all jump on me at once. I hate crowds.

Twilight Princess first appeared in our lovely world on November 19th, 2006. Let me tell you all (or trigger some memories for you people with an elephant’s memory) that the hype for this game was huge. It was huge ever since it was announced all the way back at E3 2004. It was unbelievable: fan sites made a section for it, covering it with as many screen shots as they could find, media websites made several different boxes for the game and tricked a ton of us into believing they were real, and retailers kept spitting out release dates for the game left and right. Twilight Princess had a huge presence online, in magazines and newspapers, and with it’s loyal fans.

So, when the day of reckoning finally came, November 19th, I noticed something strange. Almost startling if you will. Everyone knew the game was coming out, but I almost felt nothing. I scoured many forums the night before the 19th and I didn’t see much at all. I rarely saw a ‘Twilight Princess Hype Topic!’ or anything of the like. The online community of Zelda fans simply did not seem to care. Hmm. I wonder why? The answer has come before these tragic events:

When Twilight Princess was announced as a release game for the Wii.

My personal reasoning behind the hype dying down for Twilight Princess is due mostly in part to the coming of Nintendo’s new baby Wii. I think moral dropped when most people realized it’d be tough to get their hands on a Wii, more or less Twilight Princess. Everyone was sort of in a trance, too. I spoke with tons of people about this. I kept getting answers like “Well, I’m just going to wait until Wii is more available.” and the most popular “I’m waiting for the Gamecube version.”.

Naturally, the Wii version came out with the release of the console. Us Gamecube loyalists had to wait until December 13th (or December 12th for you lucky ones, like me) for the game. Even then, fans seemed more disgruntled than hyped for Twilight Princess. I, for one, was very upset that not only was the real version of the game (the Gamecube version) was delayed because of the Wii version, but that I had to wait for something that meant so much to me from when it was first announced. For me, I will always hold that against Nintendo. But, they are a company and their goal is to make money. I can’t blame them too much. Hey, it’s not my fault I’m a fan boy. Okay, yes it is. Sue me.

When Twilight Princess first hit, tons of reviews poured in for the game as well. Not only was the game praised for the usual reasons (it’s Zelda), it’s usage of the Wii Remote, Nintendo’s revolutionary controller, was really put to the test and passed with flying colors. This not only pissed off Zelda fans, but all the thousands of people who didn’t even have a Wii system.

Finally, the second day of reckoning came on December 13th, 2006, and Twilight Princess was released for the Gamecube. It seemed like a good holiday scheme for Nintendo. They must’ve thought: ‘Two versions of an incredibly hyped game for the holiday season on our brand new system and on our older, boxier system. Awesome.’ Well, judging by recent reports and sales figures, Twilight Princess did pretty damn well, but it wasn’t a blowout like Ocarina of Time, the game Twilight Princess is trying to beat in more ways than one.

So, can anyone really answer where all the hype went for the game? To the sales? Not entirely. To the fan base? Not quite yet. There are still tons of people either holding out for the Wii version of just too pissed off to even buy it. (I’ve met these unfortunate individuals). Also, I don’t really think all the reviews for the game helped the people who didn’t have it. All the fantastic notices it got not only online, but in magazines and newspapers, really must have aggravated fans more than keep them hyped for the game. I mean, after 2 and ½ years of waiting for a game, only to have it faltered by the coming of a new system really isn’t the best way to deal with fans.

There’s still a large chunk of people in the Zelda fan base who still haven’t gotten the game. Even now, I don’t feel much hype for the game around on websites. It’s kind of like “Okay, it’s here. It got great reviews. It’s fabulous. Next!”. I can safely say that I hate that. It’s such a grand Zelda game (I don’t know about best, though…) and it was kind of..blown off. It was almost expected of the game to get numerous awards and mentions. It’s kind of frightening, though:

If the hype for such a gigantic game as Twilight Princess be dwindled so quickly, what will become of the next installments?

Flip your (phantom) hourglasses over and await the next one!

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    It’s no Ocarina of Time, that’s all I’ll say.

    Well, that was a lie.

    Ocarina of Time was the game that brought Zelda into the 3D world, with a stunning game, and a storyline that was simple, and yet so engrossing it was amazing. The game itself still retained many of it’s “silly” Zelda features and it was very well balanced in difficulty and in length.

    This is where Twilight Princess fails. There are some Temples which are stupidly difficult, and yet, there are others which are very easy. The game itself is too short, and yet, when playing it, it feels like you’re doing a lot of tracking over the same grounds.

    The storyline was trying to be complex and dark, and yet didn’t give us enough to live on. It’s either all or nothing, which is what it didn’t have.

    It could have been a lot better, not that it’s not good. It’s amazing in comparison to most games, but in terms of pulling that stupidly over zealous Zelda fan’s love in, it’s not done it as much as I had hoped it would.

    Truth be told, I don’t think people expected for the Wii to be so bloody rare this season. I know I certainly didn’t. I honestly believed that we’d see the complete opposite reaction that we have now, that PS3s would still be impossible to find and that Wiis would be able to be found on shelves within weeks. But Sony’s lacklustre PR (likely mixed with the fact that it’s bloody $600 and no one truly is caring about Blu-Ray yet) means that PS3s are on shelves while Nintendo’s PR has made Wii still impossible to find. Add to the fact that Christmas was coming soon, kids won’t preorder because they’ll expect it for Christmas… yadda yadda, and many fans are without Zelda.

    However, I wouldn’t call Twilight Princess a failure just yet. No game is an automatic success overnight. So far, I’ve read very sporadic personal reviews (subscribing to the zelda_lovers LJ comm is useful for vast amounts of quick feedback) that say it’s bad, most everyone is either in the category of best Zelda title ever or just behind Ocarina. It’s a launch title, and launch titles take a lot of time to reach full saturation. However, I think when Wii Squared comes down the path, people will be looking back on Twilight and saying, “Yeah, one of the best games for the system.”

    Mmm well I got it so…yeah.
    Well its good,they could of put a little more towns in that Big o’l field. But..i like the temples like the one i just beat…
    Idk..its not ideal but its the best by far.
    I havent beaten the game yet but the ending will probably be good

    There’s a few reasons:
    -The control on Wii is not so much of a breakthrough, in the sense that the GCN had the game first. It’s fantastic, but it was only announced months, literally, before release.
    -GameSpot, GameSpot, GameSpot. That review made me quite sad and annoyed, and I’m sure others had the same feeling. WarioWare got 0.3 freaking more then Twilight.
    -This is the first Zelda to launch with a console. The actual game is overshadowed by the cool new system.
    -We’ve heard about it for 2 years now. We’ve had over 24 months to think about this game. And think, and speculate, and think, and imagine, and hope.

    The true test of a Zelda game’s value to the community is time. Remember the Minish Cap? When it was first released, I remember many people hailed it as one of the best games in the series. Now, nobody really even thinks much about it.

    A few years down the road is the when we shall see how well the game is accepted by the Zelda community.

    And it is the nature of hype for it to crest with the release and then fall. All hype follows that pattern. Previous Zelda games have done the same thing.

    And as a webmaster of a large Zelda site, let me tell you… the release of the game was just the START of the torrent of demand for content on it. I have been more productive, and I have had a more appreciative audience, then at any time in the last two years.

    I must admit that as great as Twilight Princess was it didnt make me feel what Ocarina of Time made me feel, with OoT I was addicted from the moment I turned the game on for the first time, I would rush home from School and play it until it was time to go to bed. When I finally defeated Ganondorf and escaped the collapsing Castle I fealt exhilirated because I had finally defeated Ganondorf… but I was wrong, Ganondorf rose from the rubble and transformed into Ganon and sent the Master Sword flying out of Links… my hand and over the barrier I was shocked, then when he reared up to his full height over Link a cold sweat ran down my back and I actually gulped in fear and anticipation. BUT why did I not feel these things when I played TP, the only answer I can think of is that I am older and it is much harder to impress me im sorry to say, oh well such is life I guess.

    I personally loved TP, all I need to be happy is that world it creates for me; similar to Star Wars, etc.

    I have a theory for my own difference in feeling towards OoT and TP. I was… what, 10? 11? When I stuck that cartridge in and woke up in Kokiri Village. Now, when I think back, I don’t remember I had to talk to that guy, do that task, whatever; I remember the feelings I got as I played in it, the first really epic game I’d touched. My mind was still filled the wonder of being a child, and Zelda got inside my head. I’m not sure any Zelda game will ever conjure up the same emotions when I remember it. I’m sure this is the same with a lot of Zelda fans, observing the age ranges in the main fanbase.

    lord-of-shadow said:

    The true test of a Zelda game’s value to the community is time. Remember the Minish Cap? When it was first released, I remember many people hailed it as one of the best games in the series. Now, nobody really even thinks much about it.

    Wait…Who said that? I mean MC is pretty good but not the best game in the series!

    You know, I niticed the same thing. On the day that TP came out, I was checking all of the main Zelda forums… and there was a strange absence.. I thought it meant that the people were playing it etc, but the absence has continuedd till today.
    I do agree that it had some faults. It wasn’t the same feel as in OoT… the epic feel.

    Prophet of Winds said:

    lord-of-shadow said:

    The true test of a Zelda game’s value to the community is time. Remember the Minish Cap? When it was first released, I remember many people hailed it as one of the best games in the series. Now, nobody really even thinks much about it.

    Wait…Who said that? I mean MC is pretty good but not the best game in the series!

    It was the initial euphoria of playing the game for the first time for many people, I think. Mostly some of the bigwigs at Zelda Universe.

    i think TP was a really good game. lets see my top 5 would be…. 1st: lttp, 2nd: oot, 3rd: tp, then how ’bout loz for 4th, then for 5th place: tww… i guess people are just too picky eh :?

    its like I always said,they were delaying the game way too long,people were getting there expectations way too high (higher than any expectations should be aloud to get :) ),and once the game came,not only did people probably get mad at the fact that they couldnt get one like you said (I know someone just like that,hehehe :D ),but they didnt like what they saw.not because it was bad,it just wasnt as good as what they thought it would be.

    TP was good though,it could have been better,but it was still good.sadly,I myself was one of the fans who got there expectations too high :( .I thought there would be more towns and stuff like that,its just kinda hard not to picture what a game is going to be like when they delay it for so long.

    I can agree with you in a major way. I really do feel that OoT was better… even though I’ve only beaten the second dungeon (I’ve been busy with school and such), it seems that TP is lacking a certain… something.

    And I am NOT an OoT fanboy. My first Zelda game was actually LttP. Nor was OoT my second, honor belongs to Links awakening. But even after playing those two, OoT still seemed and had an extreme epic feel to it.

    Actually, I’m sort of disappointed that TP isn’t as dark or graphic as it originally was concieved to be…

    My top four fave zeldas are LttP, Majora’s Mask, and the oracles (I count as one BIG game). With OoT maybe taking a fourth. It seems that they focused more on detail for the hyrule field than the game and sidequests… I just read a Harkinian article that questioned the actual size of Hyrule http://www.harkinian.net/issues/14/arewethereyet.php
    And it seems as if this guy could see the future of how TP would end up…

    Dark Mime Gogo said:
    My first Zelda game was actually LttP.

    thats everybodys first :| ,mine was LOZ,*in old man voice* I remember back in the day when there was only one zelda game! *end old man voice*

    I still have the book :) .

    I dont know what everyones fussing about! TP was good, even though it lacks a little, its a soild game. Sure its not what we expected but just like Shadow Ninja Kakashi said, People’s expectations rose too high. Still, TP is good, even if I havent beaten it yet (Im on the seventh dungeon), but so far it seems interesting. Im still saying its good, you guys are trying to scare those who really want the game into not wanting it anymore!
    Its not perfect, but perfect is a hard milestone to reach!
    TP is good, and if you see it, GRAB IT!!
    Or else, you’ll lose the chance to see some upgrades if you know what I mean!!!!

    Something off topic: Raise your hands if you used a walkthrough at any part of the game. I have, and to make up for it, I’m doing the whole game over again, no walkthrough either.
    Back to topic: I woke at 1:30 am on Christmas, and we opened presents early (I got young siblings who still believe in Santa, so it’s their fault, lol) and with TP next to my bedside when I tried to go back to sleep, I couldn’t wait. I got on and started and didn’t stop until the sun shone, by then I was in the Forest Temple. The only thing disappointing of this was there was a lot of good battles, but I wanted to have an epic battle before the final boss, one with just blade vs. blade, and some sub-bosses didn’t fill that need. If only they had that one fight I wanted, the game would be complete. So I give it a 9.9, the game is great, worth playing over. This time, I’m gonna complete everything.

    I know for me personally, I wasn’t looking forward to Twilight Princess at all. It had been delayed too far for me to care and it wasn’t beautiful Cel-Shaded graphics like The Wind Waker had. This was no Wind Waker II that I had been promised years earlier.

    It had been my original intention to get the Wii and Metroid Prime 3 and get Zelda ‘whenever’. Since MP3 was delayed, Twilight Princess was bumped up to my Wii companion game, though I wasn’t crazy about it. I wonder if others felt the same way?

    Being delayed for so long doesn’t neccessarily increase hype, since in this case I think it stifled it. However I disagree that a Wii version was bad for fans (and good for Nintendo). It was good for Nintendo obviously, but it put the latest Zelda game on an active, thriving system. The Gamecube is frankly, dead as a doornail. I don’t see myself buying any new Gamecube games, so had I been buying this Wii console with lackluster titles (Excite Truck is great, but no system seller) while around the same time I’m picking up this stellar Gamecube title…

    It would make me question my purchase, no doubt about that. Heck, I probably would have passed on the Wii. And I certainly, after experiencing the Wii, would not have wanted that to happen. So I’m really glad Twilight Princess came out on a living system and not a dead console. It made it better for me because of the excitement of a new Zelda and a new Nintendo console mixed together. You don’t get much better than that.

    The Missing Link said:

    Truth be told, I don’t think people expected for the Wii to be so bloody rare this season. I know I certainly didn’t. I honestly believed that we’d see the complete opposite reaction that we have now, that PS3s would still be impossible to find and that Wiis would be able to be found on shelves within weeks. But Sony’s lacklustre PR (likely mixed with the fact that it’s bloody $600 and no one truly is caring about Blu-Ray yet) means that PS3s are on shelves while Nintendo’s PR has made Wii still impossible to find. Add to the fact that Christmas was coming soon, kids won’t preorder because they’ll expect it for Christmas… yadda yadda, and many fans are without Zelda.

    I agree with this. I’m not entirely surprised that PS3 isn’t selling, but I am in a bit of a shock on how fast the Wii went, and how difficult it is to get a hold of one; people have gone to the extent of following delivery trucks to get their hands on it.

    For the game itself though, I think it was probably the long wait that might have given TP its slow start in the community. It was first previewed in 2004, and released over two years later - that’s an awfully long wait, especially having gone through [or what seemed like] quite a few delays which triggered anger, annoyance, and most importantly impatience in many fans (this here blog has posted about it many times, am I right?). Lots of people probably got frustrated and decided it wasn’t worth the wait.

    Whether you believe it was worth that wait or not is up to you however. I personally thought so.

    Dark Mime Gogo said:

    I can agree with you in a major way. I really do feel that OoT was better… even though I’ve only beaten the second dungeon (I’ve been busy with school and such), it seems that TP is lacking a certain… something.

    I fervently believe that those who haven’t finished Twilight Princess shouldn’t be critiquing it quite yet… especially since you’re only within the opening segment of the game. Twilight’s true strength is not in its beginning but over the whole course of the title. Without revealing anything, it’s the thematic variations, the weaving together of the early parts of the game with the later parts, that is its best feature. And as such, I ardently advise you to hold back your initial impressions and let the story unfold. Once you beat the game, if you like Ocarina better, that is an opinion that I would not dare keep you from believing.

    Dark Mime Gogo said:

    I really do feel that OoT was better… even though I’ve only beaten the second dungeon…

    Actually, I’m sort of disappointed that TP isn’t as dark or graphic as it originally was concieved to be…

    Well, as you have only beaten the first two dungeons, you cannot possibly expect to be able to gauge the entire game just by that. If one gauged OoT by the first two dungeons, you would think it’s a cutesy kiddy game.

    I have not even beaten TP yet (I am currently looking for the 7th dungeon) and I can already tell you that the game is plenty dark and creepy. The events that lead you to the 3rd dungeon? The confrontation that occurs directly after the 3rd dungeon? The history that is presented to you after the 4th dungeon? Watch those and play the rest of the game, then come back and say which game is better and how dark or light the game is.

    Twilight Princess was a fantastic game the likes of which come around so very rarely. Some people are just completely spoiled.

    i really didnt find TP to be a dark or creepy game,my little brother had no problems with it either. personaly, i thought saturdays naruto more unsettling than TP was :P

    Jumanji Shishioh said:

    Something off topic: Raise your hands if you used a walkthrough at any part of the game.

    *slowly raises hand* uh…I was too tired to think at some parts :P !

    back to subject though I didnt find TP all that dark or creepy.at some points I was actually disapointed at the fact that some parts meant to be dark or creepy…really just wernt.

    btw,what is making the wii sell so good?I know it has good controls but I saw a comercial for it not too long ago and it struck me with a wierd sence of…cheapness.it looked like you control bobbleheads in most of the games :? .that…dosnt turn me on.

    Halan said:
    Well, as you have only beaten the first two dungeons, you cannot possibly expect to be able to gauge the entire game just by that. If one gauged OoT by the first two dungeons, you would think it’s a cutesy kiddy game.

    Ha…Good point, Halan! The difference between the first three dungeons of any non-OoT game and OoT is quite stark, but it’s still a well-founded warning of not judging a game by its intro.

    Halan said:
    …how dark or light the game is.

    Gah! No mention of light, darkness, and/or shadow! Too…cliche….boredom….. will…….kill……..me……….*dies* x____x

    Anyhoo, I just briefly, unofficially, judged TP with a review format I created a while back; not writing, just numbers…And it got an 85%, with me being (what I thought was) nice. Gah!

    However, it could just be that, as with a book like Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, which I despised my first reading and loved my second, TP will have to grow on me. Also, I’m beginning to feel that this review format is inherently cruel, as OoT received only a 93.5%, and tWW, 91.5%. Yeeeeeah…

    • 25. EA says:

    You didn’t feel the magic of hype all across the community right before TP struck? And the chatter afterwards? The chatter that still continues?

    We must be hanging out in different places, then.

    If this article lets us speak spoilers, I’d point out all the creepy parts of this game, but since it’s not, I dare not to think of spoilers… *thinks of the creepy parts* I think I know why this game instantly lost it’s hype, it didn’t hold all expectations they promised since 2004. I expected the game to come out before the Minish Cap. Maybe, just maybe, they are changing the feel of Zelda. I first got into Zelda in the form of ALttP (SNES version) and I always thought that’s how Zelda was like. The Minish Cap didn’t have the same feeling, and neither did TP.

    • 27. TSA says:

    The Minish Cap got lost in the wake of Resident Evil 4 and during the resurgence of Twilight Princess’ hype train (which kicked off in GDC 2005). That is why it fell from grace. TMC still proved to me why the 2D Zeldas are better IMO, and how I can go back and play them all over and over, yet I feel the 3D ones are a bore sometimes to pick up and just play for fun.

    I still don’t know what to really say of Twilight Princess in terms of where I rank it. I don’t even rank Ocarina of Time as the best game…I was always trying to see if Twilight Princess was superior to A Link to the Past. Initial reactions are that Twilight Princess is not better than A Link to the Past IMO.

    But I love ALttP and TMC, and they’re both in my top 3 Zelda titles right now. The other would be Majora’s Mask.

    As for TP being a failure…the sales don’t lie, it’s selling out and selling well. It’s mainly shortages of the Wii and shortages of the game itself. As for the PR, Nintendo had to spend all its money and resources on Wii, not Zelda. If TP came out a year earlier, there would have been a hudge blitz of ads, promos and stuff. Even the Japanese website, which started off very brilliantly, hasn’t been touched in over a month. Same with the NOA TP site. No planned manga. No planned soundtrack. There wasn’t even a Japanese guide I could find from Shogakukan…making this the first Zelda title since the Famicom Disk System titles to not have an official Nintendo guide from NCL/Shogakukan.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:

    I think I know why this game instantly lost it’s hype, it didn’t hold all expectations they promised since 2004.

    I think your right,nintendo cut way too much out plus they didnt follow up with what they said.

    I honestly have to say that the one and only reason Twilight Princess came off as “bad” was because I, myself, made it so.

    My expectations soared above the clouds over the 3 year wait, and my analytical (and maybe even a little cynical) outlook on TP made me bitter throughout the entire gameplay, pointing out things I didn’t like, and things I wished there was more of. I overlooked all the new things added, and all the old things kept– and namely, I lost my positive perspective and love for Zelda as a whole.

    While I can’t call any Zelda to be the BEST of the series, I can say that each is special in it’s own way. Twilight Princess, much like Ocarina of Time, is yet another stepping stone into the future of Zelda games. We should all face forward, and try not to be stuck on the past too much.

    I realized when I played the game (TP) through a second time that playing a game with a positive outlook makes things just that much more fun.

    I was disapointed at one point when I thought some places were to small,then I learned the hard way that they were big enough :P (I kinda got stuck/lost).

    Now that I really think about it, it almost seems like Twilight Princess had…well…too much, as weird as that sounds. Ocarina of Time was essentially just a skeleton of the game that could be built on. What we knew about the characters and story the fans seemed to make up themselves. Twilight Princess, on the other hand, was chockful of pretty much everything. Sure, it’s still a great game and a worthy edition into the Zelda family, but I can see why big brother Ocarina is still considered to be better.

    Of course, I’ll always love being able to snipe bokoblins from nearly a mile away…XD

    Jack the Ripper said:

    Twilight Princess was a fantastic game the likes of which come around so very rarely. Some people are just completely spoiled.

    Exactly. TP is good, its not a failure. Its just you dont get all of the action untill later. I think thats cool though..being surprised. Anyways, even though Oot is a little bit better, at least its better than maybe the rest! Stop ya whinning!

    I dont know why but I sort of agree with you

    As a Zelda fan, I chose whichever version I could play immediately. Due to the rarity of Wiis, I ran into the GCN version before I could find a Wii. One of those so near yet so far situations.

    One problem I had with it was that it didn’t have one goal to strive for. I mean, for quite a few dungeons, you didn’t know what you were aiming for. It kept changing. And I didn’t like the 9th and 8th dungeons. Wayyy to short. But the seventh was one of my definite favorites. My score for TP? 9/10. Compared to oot’s 9.5/10, MM’s 9.3/10 and WW’s 9.51/10 (I think it’s just barely better than OOT), Tp is not on my top three. Probably not on my top five, either.

    Well, it might be true for some fans but not in my case (and i know of some more fans like myself). I was not rather interested in getting a Wii console until i saw a poster announcing the release of Twilight Princess for Wii. I got the Wii just for the game, and it was worth the price in my opinion, we got tributes from the past game titles all over the TP game and some new stuff (having a support character like Midna is pretty new compared to just talking to Navy or a random ball-shaped fairy). I found it rather surprising that among the fans there is a let down on what they expected from TP. What were fans expecting? I expected a new adventure following the already known basics of the series, and not a complete new game-thing starring Link. But that’s me, no offense intended.

    takokinoko said:
    What were fans expecting?

    to put it simple,they were expecting what nintendo promised.

    Prophet of Winds said:

    Tp is not on my top three. Probably not on my top five, either.

    0.o how could you!

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