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Whose Blog?: Skeletons in Their Closets

December 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pm by The Missing Link

It’s time for Whose Blog Is It Anyway?! The show where everything’s made up, and the points don’t matter! That’s right, the points are like Ruto’s unquenchable love for Link! Hi, I’m your host, Drew Linky. C’mon let’s have some fun!

Wow… what a Christmas season, eh? We’ve seen the worldwide release of the 13th member of the Zelda series, we’ve lived through hype and suspense like never before in our community, and I’ve been through a dang hurricane. What a season indeed. And so, with all that stress and such, I’ve decided to take it easy next week considering… you know… Christmas. (Plus there’s the fact that all my friends from back home will be clambering to steal away an ounce of my time while I’m back… to touch the precious Wii… and to see their beloved TML once again.) So blogging over the holidays may be a little scarce; if you don’t see any more updates until the new year, you know why. (Of course, I will still try to get something done to fill that void that an empty ZeldaBlog will put into your hearts.) But on with the post…

So let me be completely honest here. This article is fanservice in the truest sense of the word. I have been ignoring your pleas for so long that revolts have been blueprinted with the pitchforks and torches being passed out as I type. Fearing for my own safety (and indeed the safety of my two cats—Roy and Marth—snuggling cozily by my side at ZeldaBlog HQ), I have decided to snuff this rebellion out by doing precisely what it is that you wished for. (After all, such is the purpose of Whose Blog Is It Anyway?, is it not?) And so, without further hesitation or adieu, I present to you the long-awaited Whose Blog? article: Skeletons in Their Closets.

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Now I’m going to start off by upsetting all of you right off the bat with a small confession, but let me give you the context so that I might be forgiven for my saying such. While Majora’s Mask was the first Zelda game I played as a raving rabbid fan (I set foot into this thing we like to call “the Zelda community” some time between roughly months before Majora hit us), I was also under a strict time limit to beat Majora’s Mask due to the fact that one of my roommates and I had an ongoing bet (a bet I will no longer take up, mind) as to who could chug through the game the fastest. (He won—and thus I owed him dinner or something, but only due to the fact that I had a big test that I had to study for rather late into our near week-long marathon… a test that he didn’t have, thus freeing him to marathon the home stretch. Yeah.) As such, one of the great shames of my Majora experience was that I didn’t get to stop, smell the roses Deku flowers, and take in the scenery on my first impression of the game. By the time I got to Ikana Valley, knowing that I was just a single dungeon and the final boss from the end of the game, I made the executive decision to all but ignore that thing we call “plot” and try to push my then tenuous lead as far as I could.

Ultimately, as a result of the mistakes from my less mature years, I never really was as interested in the Ikana as you are.

However, having gone back through the game text—something that I assure you was as tedious as pulling out a Lizalfos’ tooth since there isn’t a quoteFAQ for it (don’t make me crack the whip on you, Zelda Legends)—I (ahem) “refreshed” my knowledge of all things Ikana… and subsequently found out—which you already knew—that there indeed was a great deal of history there.

Surprisingly though (at least surprising to me) was that, in the true spirit of Twilight Princess, the Ikana’s mere presence in the game seems to ask more questions than it answers despite the sheer amount of information that is revealed. Just who are the Garo anyways, and why have they been spying on the Ikana for years upon years? What exactly is this blood-stained history that the Ikana have? What exactly did Majora do to them to make them cursed as the living dead? All of the game text alludes to this deep storyline that goes well beyond than what it explains but stops far short from actually explaining detail for detail this elaborate story, leaving us players to speculate heavily on the answers to those questions. So then… let’s speculate! Crack your knuckles and stretch your limbs; we’re going in.

The central theme surrounding the whole mystery seems to be this rather shady past that the Ikana has had. For all intents and purposes, the Ikana clan really could compete to be one of the darkest themes within the entire Zelda series. Everything from the very barren landscape of Ikana Hill to the signposts is enough to just give you the creeps. Add to that a healthy dose of Redeads, Gibdos, and Skeletons (as well as a thrilling graveyard hunt with Dampé—let’s admit it, he doesn’t help) and you’ve got a recipe for a action flick that Hollywood would be jealous of.

In fact, speaking of Hollywood, after doing some research and jotting a few notes down on paper, I found a group that seemed to resemble the Ikana quite well—better than I could have ever thought possible… so good that it’s almost scary the parallels that can be drawn. That movie is the 1997 film The Postman starring Kevin Costner, which I whole-heartedly recommend you see. (It is R-rated, so some of you might run into problems with that.) Set within a post-apocalyptic Western (doesn’t the Ikana landscape cry that out?), it ultimately involves a struggle with a very warlike tribe who has aggregated so much power so as to lord over all the other villages who are just trying to get by day by day. But before I get going on this near-tangent, let’s head back to the Ikana.

When you speak to or about the Ikana, as I said, you get this sense of foreboding, this sense of such a tarnished history at which you would become ill just by hearing it. My impressions on them are that they’re hardly strangers to war; more blood has been spilled on the battlefield because of them than has ever ran through their veins. For that matter, they even went so far as to locking down their own castle into this near impenetrable fort, making sure that wayward heroes would never be able to just diddy-bop their way in the front door. So it’s quite likely that they’ve their good share of enemies… and likely those enemies are probably the people upon whom they’ve laid the smack down. Why were they at war? The world may never why or know which attack came first, the Cucco’s or the egg’s, but whatever happened, you can be sure that the Ikana were very much like the Spartans from ancient Greece: fierce, warlike, and proud.

Now as far as who the Ikana went and laid waste to back in the day, well, that is probably a little easier to answer. From what it sounds like, none of the other races within Termina—not the Terminians nor the Deku, not the Gorons nor the Zora, not even the Gerudo pirate folk (arrrr!)—seem to have any concern for what happens out there in Ikana Valley. Okay, so you’ve got the professor and his little kid there studying the ghosts, ghouls, and hordes of zombies, but he’s a nutcase and therefore doesn’t count. (Speaking of, just what kind of responsible parent is he anyway? Someone call Child Protection Services to schedule an intervention, please!) Of course, they could have been attacked a long time ago and no longer pose a threat, but that doesn’t seem the Ikana way, now does it? So if not any of them, who does this leave us with? Simple: the Garo.

As you might remember, the Garo describe themselves as this ninja clan who has been spying on the likes of the Ikana Royal Family since time began. (Okay, so maybe they went and got a doughnut first in the early hours of the universe, but from thence on they did so!) But why? Well, I think it makes a lot of sense that either the Garo have either been one of Ikana’s punching bags over the past few centuries or perhaps is even a potential punching bag. Who can say? However, history has set a precedent that nations will send spies into a foreign land strictly for the purpose of watching for the best possible time to execute a hostile takeover of the country. And since the Ikana are, well, rather prepared for this sort of thing with a near impenetrable fortress (just look at the obstacles Link had to go through to get in!), I think the Ikana know it, especially given their blood-stained past. What’s more, it would explain why Captain Keeta still guards the graveyard—even after death—where the supposed treasure of the Ikana Royal Family lies. So I’d feel quite safe in betting my set of Deku golf clubs on the hunch that the Ikana and the Garo have gotten into repeated squabbles throughout their relationship, thus resulting in the rather tense relationship that seems to exist inside the game.

But that’s not where the troubles of the Ikana stop. No, they run much deeper than that. In addition to external squabbles plaguing the Ikana, it seems as if there is some internal division as well. After Link defeats Igos du Ikana in a deathmatch of epic proportion, you can see his henchmen begin to squabble to the point of challenging one another to the death. They’re only stopped by their king who laments the fact that their clan was like this, that their own internal squabbles—and not their external ones—caused their own hardships. In fact, it caused them to be like this. This is actually a very key revelation to discovering the Ikana’s backstory, so remember this fact, because we’re about to hear a different story of the Ikana’s downfall… a story that, when juxtaposed with Igos du Ikana’s story, will I believe reveal a very good guess as to what happened to the Ikana.

Thanks to the composers Flat and Sharp whom you meet in Ikana Graveyard, we get the privilege of getting a firsthand report about what life was like before the downfall of Ikana. Sharp actually reveals to us that Ikana Valley has not been like it was forever. No, indeed, the composer for the Royal Family mentions that the cause of Ikana’s woes is not internal squabbling but a single man(?). Yup, it’s the same guy that’s caused all of the hardships in Termina, our dear friend the Skullkid with a certain evil mask glued to his face. (And politicians say video games cause violence; they’ve never put an evil mask on their faces!) Looking back, I had originally believed that Ikana must have this way for many years if not centuries, that Ikana Valley was just a civilisation that was swept away by the sands of time, but realistically this couldn’t be the case. Somehow, I just don’t think that the Creepy Happy Mask Salesman has been chasing this little rugrat down for hundreds of years. So instead, I’m now led to believe that the theft of Majora’s Mask must have only taken place within the past month… maybe two at tops, but I think that’s pushing the envelope more than it can possibly be pushed.

Even with that “large” a timeline, the Skullkid would have had to have been really busy to foul up the world that much. I mean, he had to completely mess up the Deku swamp, change the jet stream so that clouds from Alaska will swing down to drop blanket after blanket of snow, nearly exterminate the Zora, completely massacre all of the Ikana in one fell swoop by opening the doors of the Stone Tower Temple, and, oh yeah, summon the Evil Moon of Anger to fall upon the world. (And yet the best Majora can do to fight Link is to grow tentacles and dance crazily throughout the room. Lame!) So this certainly must have been a recent development (but not too recent because of the doctor guy at the top of the hill; he did have time to build a house up there, after all!). But how do these two stories collide? How do we fault both the Ikana as well as Majora for the Ikana Valley fiasco?

Enter The Postman. The civilisation from that movie had a set of laws that governed their clan known as the Laws of Eight. When you read these, try to place yourself into the frameset of the Ikana, because it’s creepy that this could actually be their mindset.

Law One: You will obey orders without question….
Law Two: Punishment shall be swift.
Law Three: Mercy is for the weak.
[Law] Four: Terror will defeat reason.
[Law] Five: Your allegiance is to the clan.
[Law] Six: Justice can be dictated.
[Law] Seven: Any clansmen may challenge for leadership of the clan….
Law Eight: There’s only one penalty. Death.

Pretty harsh, huh? Still, these laws denote a very regimental society (Spartans) with a clear focus, aggregating power. Whether or not all of these laws applied directly to the Ikana, no one can say for certain, but I brought them all up just to spark your imaginations. However, of particular interest, and the notion I’m going to be directly applying to the Ikana, is Law Seven, that anyone could challenge for leadership (in this case, kingship) of the clan. (This could very well be the reason that Captain Keeta died and was ordered to guard the Royal Family treasure, since Keeta admits to having been shamed by a loss and then subsequently ordered to stand guard there. Perhaps it was a failed challenge to the throne?)

Continuing with Flat and Sharp’s story, we come to find out that they had a squabble of some sort on their own. For whatever reason, Sharp now has this absolute hatred for all things living, which we notice when he tries to kill Link the moment whereupon our verdant-clothed hero enters his cave… just because he’s alive and not dead. (Thankfully, Sharp has not figured out the Cave Exit Principle, thus allowing Link an easy way to get away from Sharp and avert his revenge!) Flat further reveals that Sharp wasn’t the way he always was either; Sharp at one point sold his soul to the devil and is now taking it all out on Link… and whomever else living he ran into.

Wait, the devil? Now I don’t know about you, but Zelda has never had a “devil” appear in any of its games. (Okay, yes, yes… “Oni Link,” but you never actually see any devils, so play along with me.) So I’m thinking here that Flat is speaking in vague metaphor. Somehow, I’m almost thinking that the reference to the devil actually points its finger directly at Majora. (After all, Sharp is the one who admits that it was the masked one’s fault!) Rather, and this is a theory, so play with me, Major persuaded Sharp to be a local member of the Human-haters Union, Local 407. Of course, that’s just the short form of the story. The long form gets much more complicated.

Sharp seemed to be against his brother for some reason, locking him into some tomb in the graveyard, where he obviously passed away. The game doesn’t say why the one composer hated the other, but you can come up with all sorts of plausible answers: jealosy that the king possibly favoured Flat, anger that Flat was able to convince the king not to follow the old traditions, frustration that Flat disagreed with him for some reason… who knows? What we do know is that Sharp wanted to revive the Royal Family. If taken literally, we still run into the problem where there’s two reports about what or who caused the problems of the Ikana… but if taken metaphorically, a whole new world of possibilities opens up.

Let’s assume that the Ikana actually had the rule set above, most particularly Rule Seven. From the conversation with the king, Igos du Ikana to some degree is fed up with all the squabbling going on, even if the warlike tendencies were rights granted to all the Ikana under the rules or edicts specifying how they should relate to society. So it seems that the king was more progressive politically, not exactly wanting to follow the old ways, and Flat probably agreed with him to some degree. Sharp, on the other hand, might not have agreed, and so he wanted to “revive” the Royal Family in the sense of bringing it back to the old, warlike ways, and of course the opportunity to do so would have existed under Rule Seven. So Majora’s Mask comes along and watches this little drama unfold, and instead of just doing things the brute force way, the Skullkid decides to play around, as he is prone to do. As such, Majora converts Sharp (”selling his soul to the devil”) to his evil little games and grants him the power to open the Stone Tower Temple. He had the access since he likely composed the Elegy of Emptiness with his brother, and so he’d have been able to get up there. He definitely has motive… and opportunity.

However the consequences might have been something he hadn’t planned on. Sharp absorbs in whatever evil and dies, becoming a spirit in the process. Yet now he’s full of so much evil whereupon he has to exact revenge upon all things living… just because he’s that evil now. So he trots back to Ikana Castle, invokes Rule Seven then and there (or even not since Sharp was full of evil), and then destroys everyone. And somewhere in that mix, Sharp locks away his brother Flat inside the grave. All in all, Sharp can blame the masked one and Igos du Ikana can blame their own squabbles for their demise… and both can be right. And when you think about it, in a sense, convincing someone to create a rebellion that leads to the downfall of an entire race is even more evil than doing the deed itself.

Now I do realise that some parts of this might be a little farfetched, but I think the story sounds too elegent to just discard because it doesn’t play by the exact wording of the game text. Maybe it sounds a little too cliché to hijack a major plot concept of a movie and inject it into a video game, but I really like how the Laws of Eight would portray the Ikana. Regardless, as with so many things in the Zeldaverse, this is theory and theory only, so you don’t have to agree with me at all; your comments, as always, are most certainly welcome.

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    interesting story TML. I wonder… does nintendo watch a bunch of movies,read a bunch of stories, twist it around and make it into zelda? ikana was always such a interesting place. and skullkid did he really trash all of ikana. and as for the Sharp part,i missed it because the text was sped up so it didnt scare my little brother(he was only 7 the time) -_-

    BTW does any other site in the zelda commuity have the story eloze,i REALLY want to know what happens next :)

    wow,cool article TML :P .I agree with alot of your points,especially the one with skull kid being the one to cause all the problems (it is right up his alley).also the fact that ikana might have been destroyed from the inside.i have to admit though,I wasnt aware of half the things you mentioned,and Ikana is my favorite place in all of zelda :? ! I had always thought of the garo as just another undead resident of ikana,but now that I think of it they do sound a bit detached.when your near one tatl says something about being able to sence a great bloodlust or something similar,right? it could be toward ikana.the part about the two ghosts makes sence too.again,I didnt think much of them.but I guess they are to ikana as the hyrulian composser brothers are to hyrule castle.all this time I just thought they got into a “little” fight and took…drastic measures.once again good article.

    and to avoid any confusion,im GLE under a different name.

    Well, this is all indeed quite a development, yet it lacks a feeling for the subtle ease of dark moods that I’m oft known for. Heehee, if you know classical music as much as I do (you can ask Ice to confirm this) Sharp sounds almost like Paganini or Liszt, both were extreme virtuosi of their instrument, almost to sound like the devil himself was playing. Thus, it could be said that Liszt and Paganini sold their souls to the devil, for their diabolic gifts. But ah, here is the purpose of contrast between parallel realms, the brothers sharp and flat were together in OoT, yet seperated by hate in Majora’s mask. Thus it could perhaps be noted through corollary that The Garo are in fact another form of the now defunct Sheikah. Both have bloodlust in their veins, brooding over a dark and blood tainted history over their respective lands, could it then be implied, that the Garo are a much darker and foreboding form to our parallel Sheikah?

    Anyway, the lands of the Deku and Ikana are indeed very vast, so much so that I was shocked to see with depth for the first time, their respective lands. You also notice of course, that within the stone tower, there quite a few garden areas, garden scenes… I can’t seem to recall the true purpose of the Stone Tower, but the way I imagine it is a sort of surreal contrast to the underworld laying beneath the well and castle.

    We could theoritically say that it is an old story, with the Ikana all kept in their graves, but I think in fact, that the odd of corruption actually extended centuries before, because we see the whole place as dark, gloomy, and dry.

    But nonetheless, the story is filled with its deeper shuddering, a marked parallel rather than contrast of the shadow temple of Ocarina of time. So I may say that in one dimension, the well of Kakariko would lead to the well of Ikana. But the thing itself is a mad desire that reaches on all due foci: the dead have breath for their own lust hollowed in an open grave. Imagery may go so far as to paint a culture where the wealth and beauty of the stone tower was locked away by malovent mavens from prosperous domains as we have had for the grey Ikana.

    Once I had a dream, an odd dream involving exploits through that land. There was once a village, filled with grey walls, and all took harbour and residence with their melancholic grievances.

    Perhaps it could be said that the Garo were once the natives of that valley, but were usurped out, by a trusted kinsman as we know the man who chants empty elegies when the chasms across the spires tween life and death grow thin.

    Dark Mime Gogo said:

    Thus it could perhaps be noted through corollary that The Garo are in fact another form of the now defunct Sheikah.

    That would make sense to me. And wasn’t there something about the Sheikah being betrayed in Oot?

    Finally! My precious article on Ikana!
    I believe that the Garo are the ones who live in Stone Tower, and the Stalfos (Igos) lives in the Ikana Castle. However, I still think these two have been at war for a long time… War transforms the land into a barren waste.

    dunno if you saw this quote - “They are merely shells that are empty on the inside. They’re the shells of spies from an enemy nation sent to investigate Ikana. They have been unable to forget their living days. Even now their spirits–emptiness cloaked in darkness–continue to spy.”
    http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/emulation/dumps/zelda6/usa/z6dump(usa).txt
    very interesting article TML. I really need to play MM again, such a mysterious game. did the Ikana kill off the Garo, and now the Garo are just trying to… annoy them?

    Great article, TML. I have also been trying to unravel the backstory of Ikana, so I’m glad you chose this topic. The line about petty battles causing the downfall of the kingdom probably deserves more thought than what I’ve given it.

    However, this article didn’t address one of the MAJOR parts of Ikana’s backstory, which is tied to the ominous architecture in the region. I made a thread about this, and I’d like to know what you think of my theory. Here’s the link:
    http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50295

    To summarize it, I believe that the Garo tribe had sought to destroy the goddesses of the Triforce, and as absurd as this claim may seem, there is a substantial amount of evidence in the game to support it. The Stone Tower is filled with blasphemous imagery, including monsters licking the Triforce and phallices pointing towards the heavens.

    I also believe that the goddesses punished the Garos for building the tower by causing it to be flipped upside down. The Garos had sought to invade the heavens, but instead they found Termina’s Hell: Twinmold’s Desert, the realm where the ancient tribe (the one the Mask Salesman speaks of) had sealed Majora’s Mask long ago. Majora’s Mask entered Termina through the Stone Tower.

    If you want evidence, take a look at the great statue in the first room of the Stone Tower Temple. At first it looks like a deformed face sticking out its tongue, but when the Tower is flipped the statue depicts none other than Majora’s Mask. The bottom part of it broke off (which you can tell by the designs painted on the statue), which is why it isn’t heart-shaped. Furthermore, the momuments in Twinmold’s Desert show the face of Majora’s Mask.

    thats interesting,i didnt even know the triforce existed in terminia.

    interesting idea, but the Triforce was created in, well, a realm parallel to Hyrule, wasn’t it? so would that mean Termina, the Sacred Realm, and Hyrule are all parallel? it doesn’t seem likely for there to be a Triforce in Termina. and you say there is an underworld to Termina?
    perhaps Majora’s Mask was ruler of the Garo in the underworld, and wreaked havoc on Termina because the goddesses flipped the Stone Tower and it could escape, like you said?

    Hmm, cool article TML.

    Hylian Dan said:

    Great article, TML. I have also been trying to unravel the backstory of Ikana, so I’m glad you chose this topic. The line about petty battles causing the downfall of the kingdom probably deserves more thought than what I’ve given it.

    However, this article didn’t address one of the MAJOR parts of Ikana’s backstory, which is tied to the ominous architecture in the region. I made a thread about this, and I’d like to know what you think of my theory. Here’s the link:
    http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50295

    To summarize it, I believe that the Garo tribe had sought to destroy the goddesses of the Triforce, and as absurd as this claim may seem, there is a substantial amount of evidence in the game to support it. The Stone Tower is filled with blasphemous imagery, including monsters licking the Triforce and phallices pointing towards the heavens.

    I also believe that the goddesses punished the Garos for building the tower by causing it to be flipped upside down. The Garos had sought to invade the heavens, but instead they found Termina’s Hell: Twinmold’s Desert, the realm where the ancient tribe (the one the Mask Salesman speaks of) had sealed Majora’s Mask long ago. Majora’s Mask entered Termina through the Stone Tower.

    If you want evidence, take a look at the great statue in the first room of the Stone Tower Temple. At first it looks like a deformed face sticking out its tongue, but when the Tower is flipped the statue depicts none other than Majora’s Mask. The bottom part of it broke off (which you can tell by the designs painted on the statue), which is why it isn’t heart-shaped. Furthermore, the momuments in Twinmold’s Desert show the face of Majora’s Mask.

    This theory by far seems to be the strongest… it incorporates a level of observation that goes further and deeper. Perhaps it may help to explain, in it’s own way you could say that there’s a parallel between the King of Hyrule and the King of Ikana, each showing alternate realities, alternate dimension. Already there are parallels, but it seems that the parallels in fact go further and deeper than we originally thought.

    I found an interesting quote, Dan.
    “If you shoot that which releases the sacred golden light into the blood-stained, red emblem outside the temple… it shall rearrange things, in which the earth is born in the heavens and the moon is born on the earth.”
    it seems so feasible that Majora’s Mask would be ruler of the the Garo. so dark and mysterious.

    Scepia said:

    I found an interesting quote, Dan.
    “If you shoot that which releases the sacred golden light into the blood-stained, red emblem outside the temple… it shall rearrange things, in which the earth is born in the heavens and the moon is born on the earth.”
    it seems so feasible that Majora’s Mask would be ruler of the the Garo. so dark and mysterious.

    They do talk about the mask being used in one tribes ancient rituals to summon demons or something like that.

    And abotu the hero not getting past the front door. I didn’t either. I still haven’t finished it. It’s my sister’s and she did and I watched, but I myself never made it past the first three rooms of the actual dungeon.

    Hylian Dan said:

    However, this article didn’t address one of the MAJOR parts of Ikana’s backstory, which is tied to the ominous architecture in the region. I made a thread about this, and I’d like to know what you think of my theory. Here’s the link:
    http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?t=50295

    I didn’t cover the Stone Tower Temple because, in all honesty, I didn’t think it applied very strongly to the Ikana clan themselves. It sort of was outside the scope I wanted to use for this article. However, even without plugging the game into my N64 and playing, I think I vaguely remember the scene you’re talking about, but I don’t remember it with any specificity.

    That said, it’s very possible that this is the origin of the temple. However, much of this predicates its theory that the three goddesses are responsible for Termina’s creation, et cetera, and that’s typically a position I don’t take. The three goddesses aren’t mentioned at all in the games, and the only symbolism that I remember from days of yore that is shared between the two is the Triforce symbol (which, ironically, is based upon a Shinto symbol itself). Furthermore, with the four Nose Gods already in Termina, I think it gets a little crowded deity-wise to add them in, even if they follow the Deist role and just leave Termina to whatever whims they like.

    However, your theory doesn’t necessarily depend upon the three goddesses as the three goddesses or the three triangles representing “the Triforce.” If you abstract those two parts of your theory and don’t define those, your theory is very possible, although for me to say yay or nay on it, I’d have to chew on it a bit to see if it’s too out there for my tastes or not.

    There is the godess of Time at the begining, where Zelda gives you her Ocarina.

    I’ll have to read this later. I am actually playing through Majora’s Mask for the first time now..:P Not even where you are mentioning yet..so I don’t want to spoil it x_X

    shadowknight said:

    There is the godess of Time at the begining, where Zelda gives you her Ocarina.

    can you say “forth Triforce piece”? :P
    the Goddess of Time is a big mystery. she wasn’t present in OoT, which was time-based too.
    OK, so what if the goddesses equate to the giants? a fourth goddess…
    the symbols in the Stone Tower point to some deity involvement with MM, which could be many things.

    *Everyone puts out their torches and drop their pitchforks*

    You’re safe now TML ;) .

    Great article; it explained a lot for me on Ikana. I never really thought about the ideas either TML or Dan had, and I had totally forgot about this:

    Scepia said:

    shadowknight said:

    There is the godess of Time at the begining, where Zelda gives you her Ocarina.

    can you say “forth Triforce piece”? :P

    the Goddess of Time is a big mystery. she wasn’t present in OoT, which was time-based too.

    OK, so what if the goddesses equate to the giants? a fourth goddess…

    the symbols in the Stone Tower point to some deity involvement with MM, which could be many things.

    Gives me the shivvers. That’d be super-de-duper if sometime in a next installment they would put her in.

    Maybe that should be our next WhoseBlog? topic?

    Dark Mime Gogo said:
    Thus it could perhaps be noted through corollary that The Garo are in fact another form of the now defunct Sheikah. Both have bloodlust in their veins, brooding over a dark and blood tainted history over their respective lands, could it then be implied, that the Garo are a much darker and foreboding form to our parallel Sheikah?

    -_-
    ………. this is highly possible. im only 12, but, the garo are ninja, the sheika are ninja, they both seem to appear in the most unorthodox way, they both keep secrecy and success their highest prioritys…. its inevitable. i might be mistaken…. but… i think somewhere in oot, you were told by either reading or by mouth that the sheikah were originated by the king to protect the kingdom? it could have been from a different source than the game, but ill have to doublecheck… btw, that specific source never mentioned which king chose them. could the godessess have also built the castle and chosen the first king? could that king have originated the sheikahs? theres a lot of if’s (well, they’re could’s, but you know what i mean), now, i have to admit, the garo and the sheikah have their diffrences… but… like i said, its inevitable. we have a match. garo=sheikah.

    now that thats out of my system, i need to say something about this fourth goddess business. it is true, zelda nor any other character in oot mention anything about a goddess of time, though did they have to? how else would you be able to travel through time and back?! also, what other goddess or god would have been able to give the ocarina of time(cough cough) its abbilities? and near the very beginning of the mm, the cutscene with zelda does scream goddess of time at you. what i have to ask is, why do they keep this fact out of the open? and why just release it later in the sequel??? the facts dont add up…

    im pretty sure i got this off of tga, but oni link was originally lady chaos’s very own feirce deity, the… oh, what was it… darn it, i cant remember, though it did mention that blood ran down his guillotine blade or something like he struck fear into the hearts of all who heard his name. tml also explained why there is a feirce deity mask. aghanim (i didnt spell that right, did i?) used magic and turned him into a mask, and thus forth he used its terrible power to destroy hyrule almost and then he appeared withOUT the mask and made everything better. out of the question though, is that the feirce deity definetely played a hidden part in mm other than a hidden mega item. i say, majora and the feirce deity were early partners and demigods, though nobody knew that it was majora that caused the moon to fall. i remember distinctly two cutscenes. one, the gameover scene. it scares the heck out of me. it will scare the heck out of me until im thirty probably. it has deep meaning to it. two, the cutscene the happy mask salesmen shows you when you return to normal for the first time. it shows that similar wall of fire that obliterates everything in game over. in case your wondering, it is the game over you get when you run out of time, not when you lose all your hearts (though, i dont remember what happens when your hearts DO run out). there must be a connection here. the story taking place during the cutscene with the happy mask man states that majora was used in ancient (keyword: ancient) civilizations. im a novice when it comes to history, but, ancient means old old old, am i right? more on this later, im tired and need to go to bed. stay on your toes.

    Scepia said:

    shadowknight said:

    There is the godess of Time at the begining, where Zelda gives you her Ocarina.

    can you say “forth Triforce piece”? :P
    the Goddess of Time is a big mystery. she wasn’t present in OoT, which was time-based too.
    OK, so what if the goddesses equate to the giants? a fourth goddess…
    the symbols in the Stone Tower point to some deity involvement with MM, which could be many things.

    Gasp! If a fourth Triforce piece were to exist…then it would no longer be the Triforce. It would be the Quadriforce. :P

    Great article TML. I must admit, I haven’t thought about the Ikana in this way.

    the goddess of time probably has no relation to the triforce EXCEPT as one of its gaurdians, remember? the ocarina of time was needed to open the door of time into the sacred chamber.

    another subject thats interesting is the two wells in both countries (dont hate me for saying countries, i know they’re as diffrent as two universes) the ikana well has creatures im only familiar with in this certain area of the hyrule well. i think i remember it being in this tomb like area. other than that, i saw only redeads in the rest of the hyrulian well. this arises several more questions. is there a connection between that tomb like area and the ikana well/somewhere in termina (nowhere else comes to mind :p) igos du ikana mentioned that the problems caused were by INTERNAL squabbles. i have to go, my mom is forcing me to. ill have more on this later.

    I’m confused now. Maybe I shuold go try to finish it.

    Deep, yo. Please remember, I was AGANIST Ikana Canyon, but I enjoyed this.

    I never really believed there was a fourth triforce piece or a fourth goddess.dont get me wrong,its a plausable idea,however that doesnt make it anything more then fanfiction.knowing how zelda works (uh…the series,not the princess) the sages probably used there magic (like they always do to keep games going -_-’ ) to create the ocarina of time.that makes a little more sence since zelda is the sage of time and it could have been passed down to her.I dont know,maybe I dont have the same cutscene in mind;is it the one were zelda hands kid link the ocarina? if so I just dont see it.

    as far as oni link goes,hes really no different then the other transformation masks (exept for being a demigod and all :? ).its probably just oni links power sealed in a mask (kinda unoriginal).i like alot of the theorys on him that have been talked about though.

    anyways,it makes sence that the shiekahs are the hyrulian counterparts to the garos.theres just alot of ingame evidence that supports it (i wont name it all since its already been said) .if you go with that theory you can figure out that they used to work for ikana.past that you then realize that,since they are parallel,the shiekahs must have traded on the hyrulians at one time or another.see? ikana has alot of info in it,not only on its own game but also on its more thought out prequel ^_^ .

    I think the Goddess of Time is simply an alternate title for Nayru, since she created the natural laws. Time and Nayru are also both represented by the color blue.

    Zelda prayed to this goddess in Hyrule and the goddess saved Link in Termina, so the same goddesses must operate in both realms. I believe the reason the goddesses and the Triforce aren’t mentioned in Termina is because they had been rejected by that world, because its people loved the lesser guardian deities, the Giants, more. At the top of the Stone Tower, there are four structures that resemble part of the male body pointing upwards, and I think they represent Termina’s love of the four male Giants and hatred towards the female goddesses.

    http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/hyliandan/thing2.jpg?t=1166913184

    I wonder if theres anything in the game that would show why the garo would go against the…ikanians? that is if they really did.I bet nintendo hates having to keep alot of stuff vague in there games.think of how good MM would be (not that it isnt) if it were centered around ikana canyon and there dark past.they should have also talked about hyrule a little more (not that the residents of terminia would know of it,but theres always that one person who has inside information),just to stress the fact that they actually have counterparts.*sigh*…I wish I could play MM again :’( *begins crying*.

    I got lost when I tried to read this because I never played MM ;p But, would text dumps be close to the same thing as a Quote FAQ? I always look at them and Zelda Legends should have those up tooooo… the Minish Cap I think. http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?p=125 Would that help at all?

    Yeah, matter fact Im at that part in MM. I noticed while walking past those stone towers in Termina Field that the Triforce symbol is on them. Also, I never knew they were living before this crisis brought by Majora, I thought they’d been dead for hundreds of years from a war that took place hundreds of years before that some how ended..hundreds years before. And, isnt Skull Keeta the king’s son who was a faithful guard (of course, its his own blood) to him? Maybe Ikana was always cursed and like you said, like the Spartans and the Athens, each never liked one another. But it never left them to a “take over”, only by themselves and darkness. Or have you ever consider a take over from the clan that maybe mad a tyranny over the fact they had to obey one king. Like you said, there are indeed many possibilties. Anyways Ive just gotten to Ikana Canyon and turned that crazy doctor back into a human, now i must scout the well, ask the king, and head to a topsy turvy temple to defeat what they call a massive bug like boss. Then Im guessing the real fun will come with the moon and all. Oh yeah and this article really got me thinking. Maybe the next one should be about The Great Bay. Personally when I first got there I didnt have a clue what was wrong with it besides maybe the fact it had depressing music. Even when you defeat Gyorg the water still looks the same. Anyways, that was a nice little mystery you looked into. Nice.

    …….. ill brood over that for a while, princess ashley. kudos.

    back to what i was saying… the problems in ikana had been caused by their internal squabbles, not that of the garo. they didnt say that last part, but its obvious that the garo played no hand in that part (does igos or his two men even look or think like garos? :P ) though that part about all the problems in ikana being caused by this squabbling is not true, the fact is, it has been causing some problems. i.e. sharp and flat, so you know what i mean when i say we shouldnt harp on the garos. dont get me wrong, i think they played a major part of this, but igos du ikana and his little side kicks had a part in it too. wait, i already said that. nvm, on with the topic! did anyone know that its not just the gibdos mask that makes the redeads dance, the captains hat does too! is there a reason for this? i know that the redeads dont care for gibdos, and i think it works for the garos mask. *thinks* a thought comes to mind. how did the ingo or whatever is their name brothers come to have one of these???!!! were they garos once? and they have more than one! there is two more at least, because i saw them wearing garo mask’ when they chased cremia’s cart! its so CONFUSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! finally, that is all the ideas i can think of for now. that and those other two articles. tml, you spelled civilizations wrong in your article. great topic btw, it spurred many of my old ideas.

    have a good one!

    “By the void, i really like that phrase, by the void!”

    Doctor Who Scifi Channel Season Finale.

    how did i make that face? :P can i make others? :O :I :T

    i guess not….

    About the fourth goddess, I have a theory. The fourth godess was MAJORA(ever wondered why there is no godess of passion? Well maybe Majora was one and became corrupt)! Here is proof of a fourth godess on the Hylian shield, Kapeora Gaebora(sp?) or what I believe is Kasuto is representend on the Hylian shield as a “Pheonix”, was actually an owl. And what do you think the owl is carrying? A fourth Triforce piece. A Tetraforce insted of a Triforce. So Majora was the godess of passion and feeling, but as seen in Star Wars III, that leads to corruption. And secretly she created evil in Hyrule along with love behind her sister’s backs. Well the original sages, one of them Kasuto, one Rauru, sealed the corrupt godess in the center of the Triforce, Kasuto turing into an owl(to travel faster)took Majora’s piece and destroyed it. And she was sealed into the hole in the Triforce.

    This theory also explains why that tribe(possibly the Ikana) worshipped her.

    Oh yeah I forgot this, Rauru was left in the Sacred Realm to guard the Triforce from getting it, or getting out of it…

    And Kasuto was left as an owl to be another line of defence if Majora escaped Rauru.

    Melora said:

    I got lost when I tried to read this because I never played MM ;p But, would text dumps be close to the same thing as a Quote FAQ? I always look at them and Zelda Legends should have those up tooooo… the Minish Cap I think. http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?p=125 Would that help at all?

    Ah, Melora, that is indeed the link I did use. But you see, those are all out of order, none of them are strictly attributed to any one character (unless that say “I am Flat!”), and you cannot constrict your search to a single section of the dump. Hence why a quoteFAQ would be useful. Not that I’m bitter, noooooooo…

    Seriously though, it worked for what I needed it for. It’s why I keep coming back to you guys for all those times I need to look stuff up. I was just surprised there wasn’t a quoteFAQ is all. X)

    Princess Ashley said:

    Even when you defeat ____ the water still looks the same. Anyways, that was a nice little mystery you looked into.

    We do not speak the name of the EVIL FISH OF DOOM™ here.

    Oh and by the way, the supposed fourth Goddess of Time would make an excellent article. Thank you for that plot bunny guys. ;)

    KUDOS TML KUDOS. i think weve had an interesting time here. i think we go on though, for we must discuss more.

    Man thats pretty dark, evil and twisted, I never thought about it that way but it makes perfect sense. Majoras Mask has a piece of music that will go down as my all time favourite *I think its called the Song of Healing, im not sure exactly*, its a short piano song that is played when you heal the little girls father and turn him back into a human, I remember just sitting there for 10 minutes just listening to it, Koji Kondo ranks up there with Nobuo Uematsu in terms of music excellence.

    BTW Koji Kondo and Nobuo Uematsu are working together on Super Smash Bros: Brawl, I really cant wait for this game. Also ive seen the “Postman” movie and I have to say that I wasnt very impressed, I thought that it was hos worst movie since Waterworld, lol.

    Darn it, I forgot who Kasuot was… the name sounds somewhat familiar… Where was the first mention of the owl being named Kasuto?

    Dark Mime Gogo said:

    Darn it, I forgot who Kasuot was… the name sounds somewhat familiar… Where was the first mention of the owl being named Kasuto?

    I thought the Owls name was Kaepora Gabora.

    point taken, its name is kaepora gaebora, but the owl in mm is diffrent.

    didnt know there was a difference between the two of them :? .

    AHEM, WHERE did Majora’s mask say the owl’s name was Kasuto? I now remember where I first heard Kasuto, it’s one of the towns names in AoL, notice that all of the other towns (except maybe Mido, but that’s still of dispute to some degree) were the names of the sages for OoT. So it may be in theory be possible that one called “Kasuto” could still awaken as a sage.

    hmm, is Dan the first one to notice these things? it’s way too much - the Triforce appearing, the formations in the Stone Tower, and, perhaps on top of it all, the mysteriousness of Majora’s Mask. I don’t think Mitamoto planned a fourth Triforce piece, but with the phoenix and everything… well it will be an interesting blog, won’t it?

    you know what i think? i think that by a fourth triforce peice they mean the entire thing put together! technically, its still the triforce, and its technically another part of the triforce.

    “only the craziest people will type out something like
    gshonsfiojnsgvionjsviojmsgvbionavdionbgio.”

    “…does that mean your crazy?”

    I believe a fourth Triforce piece blog would please everyone here. I haven’t been on the ‘Blog for like three days and look at all these ideas! Especially this one:

    Bboy94 said:

    About the fourth goddess, I have a theory. The fourth godess was MAJORA(ever wondered why there is no godess of passion? Well maybe Majora was one and became corrupt)! Here is proof of a fourth godess on the Hylian shield, Kapeora Gaebora(sp?) or what I believe is Kasuto is representend on the Hylian shield as a “Pheonix”, was actually an owl. And what do you think the owl is carrying? A fourth Triforce piece. A Tetraforce insted of a Triforce. So Majora was the godess of passion and feeling, but as seen in Star Wars III, that leads to corruption. And secretly she created evil in Hyrule along with love behind her sister’s backs. Well the original sages, one of them Kasuto, one Rauru, sealed the corrupt godess in the center of the Triforce, Kasuto turing into an owl(to travel faster)took Majora’s piece and destroyed it. And she was sealed into the hole in the Triforce.

    This theory also explains why that tribe(possibly the Ikana) worshipped her.

    That could turn out to be very contraversial(sp?) Bboy94. I have never even thought of Kapeora Gaebora (and I believe both of us spelt that correctly) or Kasuto as being the Phoenix of the Hylian Shield. It’s quite obvious too. I’m usually one for noticing those kinds of things and I can’t get over the fact that I missed that! :P

    Take this into consideration for a WhoseBlog? #7 (or 6?) before you open the post TML. Definetely would spark some fun.

    Great article TML. Now, people will have more ideas than Ikana Canyon next time ;) I haven’t had the time to read all of the comments, so I would like to say that, I was thinking that the events happened long before MM (maybe a century or two) and the ghost of Sharp wanted to make the dead alive again, so he worked with the Skullkid to do so.

    uberzeldamaster said:

    you know what i think? i think that by a fourth triforce peice they mean the entire thing put together! technically, its still the triforce, and its technically another part of the triforce.

    “only the craziest people will type out something like
    gshonsfiojnsgvionjsviojmsgvbionavdionbgio.”

    “…does that mean your crazy?”

    Heres something you guys havent thought of, the three triangles of the Triforce combined create one big triangle, so maybe thats the Tetraforce.

    thats what i said though!!!!!! *pouts and puts on the angry face*

    you stole my idea after i said it! >:[

    this idea is widely disliked by untrue zelda fans.

    uberzeldamaster said:

    thats what i said though!!!!!! *pouts and puts on the angry face*

    you stole my idea after i said it! >:[

    this idea is widely disliked by untrue zelda fans.

    Sorry, I didnt see your comment, lol.

    Hmmm…I’m kinda thinking that Oni Link might have also been some how involved with the Inka, after all….is that armor similar to theirs or what?

    actually,the owl as the phoinex idea has already been said.it was in an older article about the hyrulian shield or something.

    I was thinking,didnt the people of terminia say that ikana used to be a great kingdom? dont you think they would have added the “yup,it got destroyed a week or two ago by a crazy little imp and some ghostly guys” part to there story if it was a resent event? it just seems strange that they would keep out why the kingdom got destroyed unless it was so long ago that they had forgotten (or unless its a secret :? ).plus things seem a bit too ancient for the events to be a month or two old.

    I agree. you cant have a kingdom destroyed in less than two weeks ago and not remeber it (unless of course you’re really stupid :p).

    uberzeldamaster said:

    I agree. you cant have a kingdom destroyed in less than two weeks ago and not remeber it (unless of course you’re really stupid :p).

    well,there are other ways: 1)there all too lazy to figure out what happened,2)they cant reach the canyon to see what happened (hookshots dont grow on trees…and trees in general dont always grow to let you use the hookshot),3)everybody who went there met a tragic end and 4)all of terminia has a bad memory! they just got there useless information from either rumors or suddenly remembering stuff :P .

    One thing I noticed when replaying Majora’s mask: Granny’s stories… They’re seen as legend, and the imp seems to be a spirit from long ago… It could be that the Imp has some magical power of his own, so he’s mischevous in his own way without the power of Majora.

    I think it’s more definitave to say that the stuff that happened in Ikana happened centuries ago, rather than simply just a few weeks… THe soldiers are all undead people, a civilization does not start out as undead, people.

    Dark Mime Gogo said:THe soldiers are all undead people, a civilization does not start out as undead, people.

    well if there kingdom got destroyed they could have gone with it :P .

    i thought of that, too… if a kingdom got destroyed, would many of the villagers have lived? economically, yes and no, but physically? no, no, no,nononononono, and, no! almost nobody would have lived if a kingdom had physically been destroyed. does it make sense that they would? *cutscene* a man walks in his garden and hears a rumbling noise. he looks toward the castle and see’s it and several other buildings fall to the groud, including his. “well, another earthquake. guess we gotta rebuild again.” *end cutscene* that is not what would happen. *actual flashback* “AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! IM GONNA DIIIIIIIIIIIIIE!!!!!!” *end actual flashback* see? something similar probably happened with ikana (im not saying an earthquake happened, im talking about the part with the people).

    now that thats out of my system, im outta here.

    Well, Ikana sure is an interesting place, and it sure deserves an interesting article such as this one. But, seriousely, the goddess of time? I think that it’s much more…metaphorical, not an actual goddess. And the tetraforce…well, the fourth triforce piece, sorry, the fourth tetraforce piece, well, I’m having a hard time believing that. It’s the Triforce, and I don’t think some lone triangle on an ancient shield (may I remind you that that was in the fifth Zelda game? Currently we’re waiting for the 14th one) will make it anything else.

    But, about Ikana, what if the “Ikanians” were actually the Shiekah? And, maybe, Skull Keeta’s troops were the Kokiri! (well, they’re both kids) But, as for Ikana’s fall, I don’t really have much…

    I dont know about that, I find it more interesting that both the Twili and the Sheikah are known as the shadow people, theres gotta be something there. All I can think of is that the Twili are either an off-shoot of the Sheikah race originally or not all of the Twili/Sheikah joined in the original uprising.

    Robert-UK said:

    I dont know about that, I find it more interesting that both the Twili and the Sheikah are known as the shadow people, theres gotta be something there. All I can think of is that the Twili are either an off-shoot of the Sheikah race originally or not all of the Twili/Sheikah joined in the original uprising.

    Just wanted to say…Isn’t this considered a spoiler? And a huge one, at that? The spoiler rule is still going, you know.

    That is all for now.

    ZELDAFAN!n_n said:

    Robert-UK said:

    I dont know about that, I find it more interesting that both the Twili and the Sheikah are known as the shadow people, theres gotta be something there. All I can think of is that the Twili are either an off-shoot of the Sheikah race originally or not all of the Twili/Sheikah joined in the original uprising.

    Just wanted to say…Isn’t this considered a spoiler? And a huge one, at that? The spoiler rule is still going, you know.

    That is all for now.

    …….. THAT IS A SPOILER!!!!!!!!! BAD MAN! BAD! okay, sorry about that. stay on topic people.

    one thing I remember reading in MM is that the people in ikana couldnt die (or something…….its been about a year,cut me some slack ;) ).it always led me to believe they were cursed.I remember being disappointed when nothing happened after you get past stone tower :| (that temple took me forever,too -_-’ ).

    No, no the people of Ikana didnt like leaving a corpse behind, thats why the Garos always used a bomb to destroy their bodies after you defeat them.

    Robert-UK said:

    No, no the people of Ikana didnt like leaving a corpse behind, thats why the Garos always used a bomb to destroy their bodies after you defeat them.

    hmm,then they missed a few…uh…everywhere :? .like the ones that circle that crazy guys house.that reminds me,when you talk to them they,well,they talk back which is disturbing enough,but besides that they respond in a way that makes them sound like there living.dont they say they wantede their stupid friend back or something (not exactly in those words)? that makes me think (again) that they are cursed more then they are dead.see,it kind of reminds me of a bigger version of the skulleta family in OOT,how they were cursed for their greed.maybe nintendo wanted to show that they were cursed for their fighting.i dont know,go talk to some “ikana residents”,they all give some nice insight about their daily “lives”. *yawns* im waaaaaaaaay too tired to be thinking -_- ,or atempting to do so anyways *falls asleep* .

    … huh? i do think that the people of ikana have been cursed by something… and… shadow ninja kakashi, it doesnt take three seconds for people to rise from the dead.

    for those of you who saw my message, my information is this: i was exploring ikana a little more with the gibdo mask, and i found out that the gibdos circling Pamelas house all said, “Bring them! Bring them! Bring out our friends!!! Bring them!…” Something to that degree. this gives me a thought. why do they even bother worrying about the half gibdo inside the house? how did they know it was there in the first place???!!! the gibdos in the well, they wouldnt let you pass unless you gave them what they wanted, right? well, i think that is because they were ordered to guard the mirror sheild! and by who, you ask? CAPTAIN SKULL KEETA!!!!!!!!!!!! the gibdos are the undead soldiers of ikana canyon, the stalchilds the soldiers of the graveyard! there really was a curse on that place! this leads to another question. how come pamela wasnt effected? we know that the father was affected by the curse, but not Pamela. this leads to more questions then answers.

    uberzeldamaster said:

    … huh? i do think that the people of ikana have been cursed by something… and… shadow ninja kakashi, it doesnt take three seconds for people to rise from the dead.

    how on earth would you know :P ? besides,lyon can do it in less than 3 seconds.

    uberzeldamaster said:

    for those of you who saw my message, my information is this: i was exploring ikana a little more with the gibdo mask, and i found out that the gibdos circling Pamelas house all said, “Bring them! Bring them! Bring out our friends!!! Bring them!…” Something to that degree. this gives me a thought. why do they even bother worrying about the half gibdo inside the house? how did they know it was there in the first place???!!! the gibdos in the well, they wouldnt let you pass unless you gave them what they wanted, right? well, i think that is because they were ordered to guard the mirror sheild! and by who, you ask? CAPTAIN SKULL KEETA!!!!!!!!!!!! the gibdos are the undead soldiers of ikana canyon, the stalchilds the soldiers of the graveyard! there really was a curse on that place! this leads to another question. how come pamela wasnt effected? we know that the father was affected by the curse, but not Pamela. this leads to more questions then answers.

    I think the father was most likely researching the gibdos mask.after all the stupid little girl just walks past the gibdos and isnt afected.also those would be pretty bad soldiers to accept bribes ;) ,I think they would most likely be desperate citizens.

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