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Let’s (Not) Party Like It’s 1999

December 5th, 2006 at 12:03 am by The Missing Link

First off, my fellow ZeldaBloggians, a brief announcement. Let me remind you all that the Rule about Spoilers is still in full effect. I’ve seen several people violating it, and I’ve had to edit several comments already. None of you have done anything insane like tell anyone that the Eastmost Peninsula is the secret hidden tenth dungeon or that Snape kills Ganondorf or something equally as crazy, but several of you have been posting minor spoilers. Let me repeat this so you all hear: If you have the urge to say the words “minor spoiler” before, after, or ten feet away from your comment, you should not be posting it in a non-spoiler article. On the European launch date, I will be putting up a Major Spoilers thread where anything goes, so please… keep it cool for now. That said, on with the post.

After hearing the perspectives of many people who have finished Twilight Princess (don’t worry, I’m not going to spoil you), I’ve heard the laundry list of reviews from top to bottom about the game. While every fan-review of the game has given it top-notch scores, like I said in my review of the game, it isn’t a perfect game. I have my own personal, petty gripes about the game, and just about everyone else has their own. Granted, everyone is entitled to their own views, and I cannot condemn any one person for feeling differently way that I do. However, there is a slight trend that I’ve seen going on with people when they give their thoughts on Twilight Princess, and it’s a trend at which I’ve begun to cringe whenever I see it. Almost every one from whom I’ve heard has put their reviews in terms of a comparison/contrast outline against Nintendo’s 1998 classic Ocarina of Time.

Now as I’ve said before, I believe that Ocarina is a decent Zelda title. It really defined what it meant to be a 3D Zelda game. (Puzzles from Ocarina are still to this day being included in Zelda titles.) It was the first time that Nintendo could put a huge emphasis on not only plot and dungeons but characters as well. Back in the day, text was an expensive commodity in a game, but now it’s the cheapest thing in the world to add (gasp!) large amounts of dialogue. And with dialogue comes extremely deep and detailed characters… charaters that certainly inspire a love in players, if not an outright die-hard passion that makes us go completely crazy-go-nuts.

However, being a Zelda geek back in 1993 when Link to the Past was big was a very different thing than being a Zelda geek in 1999, the year after Ocarina’s release. Zelda was primarily about cool, magical items and horrifically complicated dungeons back in the day. It was literally a puzzle-adventure game with little stacked on top of it. Sure, there was plot, of course, but most of the plot was there only to satisfy Zelda’s Axiom. In short, your primary goal was to get through the dungeons to collect whatevers, don’t ask any questions about it, get ready, get set, go. As far as characterisation? Well, the character who happened to have the most dialogue in Past was Sahasrahla, and after getting the Pegasus Boots after the first dungeon, you could go through the game and never speak face-to-face with him again if you so wished. The most emotion they ever put into a Zelda game prior to Ocarina was when the preacher man in Sanctuary died… or when Princess Zelda disappeared before our very eyes… or when we realised we’d lose Marin for good when we woke the Wind Fish. But that’s it. As a Zelda geek, you primarily cared about getting past that stupid puzzle on B6 of the Ice Palace or conserving magic power and hearts in Turtle Rock.

But Ocarina went the route of making a deep story about the characters of the Zeldaverse, wrapping about the characters a rich setting… a rich world. Ocarina single-handedly created the Timeline Wars, the Shipper Wars, and fan sites the likes of which are uncountable in number. Despite my personal opinion that Past is superior to Ocarina (it always seems to be that the first one you play is your favourite), Ocarina of Time literally became the benchmark that all Zeldas—and indeed, many games outside of the Zeldaverse (Final Fantasy, cough)—had to beat to be good. Majora’s Mask? Most everyone considered it inferior. Wind Waker? Again, another game popularly viewed as inferior. The Oracle games? They couldn’t compete with Ocarina, so why don’t we just pull in several of Ocarina’s characters and races! Same for Four Swords Adventures and Minish Cap. And the GBA remake of Link to the Past? Let’s just change the words to be consistent with Ocarina while we’re at it.

Quite literally… Ocarina became the centre of our fandom. By no means have I done a scientific study on this, so please don’t quote me on the numbers, but I would reckon that at least 80 percent of all fanfiction written AND 80 percent of all fanart drawn in the Zelda series deviates from Ocarina. And personally, I believe that that guess is very significantly lower than the actual number. (And let me note that I am guilty as charged as I have personally contributed to this number.) People across the Zeldadom have eagerly ripped open their new games in hopes to find that their favourite Ocarina character–whether it be Malon, Saria, Impa, or Tingle–has made a reappearance. People are always noticing when some piece of music in a new game is the same as one of the ocarina tunes. The shipper wars practically ignore every other Zelda title ever made. And every console Zelda game released after Ocarina (aside from Four Swords Adventures) has had this obsessive need to explain just how this game relates to… you guessed it, Ocarina of Time.

I don’t know about you, but I am certainly Ocarina of Timed out. While I recognise that it is a very good game in its own right, I’ve grown weary of seeing everyone continue to exclusively feed off of the game, allowing their creative works to be limited to the scope of that singular title. For an old-schooler like me, and note that I am probably quite biased and wrong in my opinion, it seems as if (at least until Twilight Princess came around) most everyone here doesn’t even care that there were 11 other Zelda titles produced. This is, of course, a huge exaggeration, but imagine if a total Zelda virgin were to wade through the waters of our fandom and inspect it with a fine-toothed comb. I think that person would come to the very same conclusion.

By my watch, we have 27 days until the new year. I have no control over what all of you will say and do once 2007 hits, but as far as I am concerned, I’ve already have a New Year’s resolution all lined up. My goal this coming year is to party, not like it’s 1999… but 2007. Thank you Twilight Princess for giving me a great Christmas gift, something that has very distinct differences from the Ocarina story.

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    Ocarina of Time was a very good game, and it helped Legend of Zelda become a household name, and it will remain in my top 3 of favorite Zelda games for a long while, simply because it introduced a complexity of character never seen before in a Zelda game, and character development is one of the things that hook me into a game and want to replay it over and over again. I hope I get that same feeling from Twilight Princess.

    I thought the whole point of the Wind Waker flooding was so that we could move on from the whole Ocarina of Time angle.

    There are things that, now created, can’t not be in future titles. If we don’t have Gorons, Gerudo, or Zoras we get miffed. And yes, I’m holding out for more Sheikah references. However, while games feel as incomplete as Wind Waker and Majora, it’s difficult to imagine them creating a lasting impression.

    The major gripe I hear about Twilight Princess is that it tries too hard to be like it’s older brothers instead of it’s own game, kinda like Simba in Kingdom Hearts II. I won’t be able to judge for myself until Christmas.

    I agree entirely. Even some professional reviews are judging it against Ocarina - and some are giving lower scores because it is “too similar to Ocarina” (ie. Gamespot - where the same person gave a 10 to a Tony Hawk game and 8.8 to TP, but that is irrelevant).

    Games should be judged on their own merits, and not in comparison to any other game - be it the same or different series.

    TML Said: Ocarina became the centre of our fandom. By no means have I done a scientific study on this, so please don’t quote me on the numbers, but I would reckon that at least 80 percent of all fanfiction written AND 80 percent of all fanart drawn in the Zelda series deviates from Ocarina. And personally, I believe that that guess is very significantly lower than the actual number. (And let me note that I am guilty as charged as I have personally contributed to this number.)

    Ditto! I only wrote one story, but it does deviate from OoT. If I had the inspiration, I could do one for TWW, and TP once I get it.

    Yes. Very yes.

    I really hope that with a big impact game like Twilight Princess, people will finally shut up about Ocarina of Time. If it bothers an old schooler like TML who started with ALttP, it’s even worse for folk like me who started with the original NES Zelda. Characters? Who need them! I’m more a fan of the dungeon crawling, overworld exploring, and getting my grubby hands on new tools to play with.

    I really hope TP gets Zelda Fans to move on. Sure it might mean that five years from now hearing Shipper Debates based on Twilight Princess will be unbearable to listen to, but it will be significantly better than another round of Malon vs. Zelda. An Ocarina-eccentric fandom is exhausting. I really can’t think of another fandom (that’s been around more than a few generations) that has so much fixation on one game.

    Ocarina of Time ties with Legend of Zelda and The Adventure of Link for being ported more times than any other Zelda game. That’s just criminal.

    it is kinda wierd to rate TP based on such an old game (ive nothing against older games mind you).call me crazy,but MM was my favorite game (maybe TWW).I thought the character interaction and the fact that you could actually get caught up in other NPC’s peoples problems (not something you would be happy about in real life :? ) made it a much more interesting game,plus ikana canyon was awesome :D .but do to its small story line (like OOT really had one!) its just ignored.

    I can sort of see why people base there TP review on OOT.as it stands its the most realistic zelda title so far.the other being TP but thats the game in question and it dosnt make much sence to rate a game against itself.not that I suport the idea or anything.I only read reviews to get ideas on what to buy.I watched a review on dirge of cerebus (as shikamaru would say,it was a drag -_-)and all they did is run it down.so I really dont bother.I rate my games based on replay value,there are the good,great,and…not so much :? .

    these reviews have got me in a bad mood. I am annoying with OoT now, because I think about how much smaller and uglier it is than TP, and I keep coming back to that GameSpot review that gave TP an 8.8. you can say it’s just a review, but it’s one of the biggest game sites out there. reviews sell, or don’t, games.

    we were all led to believe TP would be the greatest Zelda game, if not the greatest game ever. if the game had spent but a few weeks longer in production, scores would have pushed on 10. a large part of it is that reviewers are so hard-core today. if these reviewers lived in 1998, they would give OoT a 7 or so.

    bah, those reviewers dont know anything…there could be a game with a “poor” rating and that could be your most favorite game. a learned a LONG time ago, never listen to those losers :P

    Scepia said:

    these reviews have got me in a bad mood. I am annoying with OoT now, because I think about how much smaller and uglier it is than TP, and I keep coming back to that GameSpot review that gave TP an 8.8. you can say it’s just a review, but it’s one of the biggest game sites out there. reviews sell, or don’t, games.

    we were all led to believe TP would be the greatest Zelda game, if not the greatest game ever. if the game had spent but a few weeks longer in production, scores would have pushed on 10. a large part of it is that reviewers are so hard-core today. if these reviewers lived in 1998, they would give OoT a 7 or so.

    8.8 is still a good score.I would asume the 1.2 they left out were simply for the flaws they found in the game.you have to consider the fact that these reviews,no matter how big the site,are merely one persons perspectives on the game.

    and dont you even think about saying nintendo should delay twilight princess :P !

    it’s too late to delay TP, at least for the Wii, but there is stuff that could have been done with time - making the controls work nicer, orchestrated music, some graphical updating. it’s every games aspiration to be the best.

    Scepia said:

    reviews sell, or don’t, games.

    I think you give too much weight and power to a single review.

    I just have one thing to say to you, TML.

    Amen.

    Masamune said:
    I really can’t think of another fandom (that’s been around more than a few generations) that has so much fixation on one game.

    Final Fantasy 7.

    I don’t care for hearing about comparisons to Ocarina simply because it is the nature of Zelda games to pull from previous games. Weren’t the ideas for Malon and Talon pulled from Marin and Tarin, as well as the idea for the annoying know-it-all Owl? I don’t even want to go into it all, but people fail to see that Ocarina is similar to the earlier games too, just with more dialogue.

    Scepia said:

    it’s too late to delay TP, at least for the Wii.

    thats the thing,its not too late for the game cube one (dont give nintendo any “bright” ideas,eh :P ?

    Fare comments TML maybe we are guilty of focusing on Ocarina of Time too much, maybe we should have stories based on the Minish Cap world with little Link exploring Hyrule with the little Minish or maybe he could go on a quest to find Marin and Koholint Island, we have so much rich history to choose from and maybe it smacks of limited imagination to create things that revolve around OoT… but you cant really blame people because LttP is the perfect 2D Zelda game and OoT is the perfect 3D Zelda game (I may change my mind once I complete TP) so come on guys, as Morpheus would say “Free your minds”.

    It funny, but I had recently came to the same conclusion. OoT is followed just a little too much. To tell the truth, story-wise OoT had about the same amount of story as ALttP, but the characters made it look like more. And characters OoT only had about 12 main characters… I believe it would be more fun to write fan stories of MM and WW, because those games had something more. Although MM borrowed most of it characters, each one was given more personallity (In Ingo’s case he was given three). On the side, I recently tried to think of what I liked most of Ocarina’s plot, when I realised the game was more about gameplay than plot. Ocarina showed us how a 3D LoZ game should play and it will be hard to make a game that doesn’t have acute simularities(try changing it and you’ll see more complaints about it than the one’s now about it being too simular). I have yet to play TP( I own it, but not a Wii ), so I do not know what it will be like, but from the sounds of it TP is bringing to the 3D Zelda series what ALttP brought to the 2D.

    I don’t believe I’ll ever understand the obsession with OoT. I played LoZ and AoL as a very young child (less than 7–I certainly didn’t beat them then, haha); then I had no video game system at all. Yet, while I’ve seen my boyfriend play through OoT and played a very, very small portion of it myself… it just doesn’t resonate with me. I like the game, but I find myself much, much more moved by The Wind Waker than by Ocarina of Time. Link in TWW wants to save his little sister and is motivated by his own guilt of not being able to protect her, not by the Great Deku Tree simply telling him he is “the chosen one” and so gearing up to fight. It doesn’t seem to be real, in a way; I think it takes more courage to fight for someone you love whom you may never see again than for an unknown goal–for in failing, the first disappointment is far greater than something of which you have no real knowledge.

    [Damn, though, I want my hands on the new items & dungeons in Twilight Princess. Watching my boyfriend play isn’t good enough. XD]

    I’m so sick of these reviews (a few of them). They keep comparing Twilight Princess to Ocarina as if it was a remake of some sort, but it doesn’t have as much Ocarina in it as people are making it out to be. Sure, it may have a little here and there, but not that much. And the story is much different, and that’s what I see most people comparing it too, and some of the puzzles (SOME, key word there). First, people complain that games aren’t like Ocarina enough, and then when one comes out that is supposedly a “fan service to it”, they bash it. “This game couldn’t even compare to OoT, it should be a lot more like it”, “This game is too much like OoT, I’m very disappointed, it should be more like its own game”. Twilight Princess doesn’t borrow as much as people are making it out to be.

    the reason there are conflicting reviews could be because they are made by different people with different ideas on it.you know,one might want it to be more like OOT,while others may want the exact opposite.

    also,this may be a bit unrelated to the subject at hand,but I think OOT having some place in almost every LOZ title is due to the fact that nintendo is trying to link (no pun intended :? ) the series together.kind of a cheap way to do it though.

    Finally, someone who realizes Tingle is in Oot. Great article.

    Robert-UK said:

    maybe we are guilty of focusing on Ocarina of Time too much, maybe we should have stories based on the Minish Cap world with little Link exploring Hyrule with the little Minish or maybe he could go on a quest to find Marin and Koholint Island, we have so much rich history to choose from and maybe it smacks of limited imagination to create things that revolve around OoT… come on guys, as Morpheus would say “Free your minds”.

    You’re right. We just don’t use everything that’s avalibile. Yes, Ocarina is one of my favorite games but, that does’nt mean the world should revolve around it.

    Windmill Man said:

    Finally, someone who realizes Tingle is in Oot. Great article.

    sure,hes in the lowest area of the shadow temple surrounded by redeads :P .

    Great Lord Ephraim said:

    Windmill Man said:

    Finally, someone who realizes Tingle is in Oot. Great article.

    sure,hes in the lowest area of the shadow temple surrounded by redeads :P .

    Wrong, that’s WRONG!

    Look in the Kokiri Shop. The person behind the desk has a moustache. Kokiris don’t. Tingle does. Quid Quo Pro.

    Robert-UK said:

    [B]ut you cant really blame people because LttP is the perfect 2D Zelda game and OoT is the perfect 3D Zelda game…

    I wouldn’t say “perfect” to either of those. “Best-to-date” is a much more accurate term.

    Windmill Man said:

    Great Lord Ephraim said:

    Windmill Man said:

    Finally, someone who realizes Tingle is in Oot. Great article.

    sure,hes in the lowest area of the shadow temple surrounded by redeads :P .

    Wrong, that’s WRONG!

    Look in the Kokiri Shop. The person behind the desk has a moustache. Kokiris don’t. Tingle does. Quid Quo Pro.

    LOL :D

    I think OoT has done to Zelda what famous roles to to actors (i.e., typecasting.) Like TML and everyone else has said, all Zelda games are now being judged by OoT. Typecasting is a serious problem (not to mention annoying) and it’s hard to fully appreciate an actor, video game, or otherwise if everyone expects it to live up to what has come before.

    About the cycling of charactors: Whoop-de-doo. Every novel in a series now has the same charactors. Look at Harry Potter. Guess what? There’s the SAME PEOPLE in it! The SAME! You don’t hear anybody griping about that! I guess you can’t compare video games to books, but I think you get my point. Also, I have to admit something. In total hours, I definitely spent THE most time on Oracle of Ages. I’m sorry. I just find the 2-d zeldas more difficult and, in terms of gameplay and puzzles, OoA is one of the best Zelda games out there (in my opinion). If you don’t have it, don’t listen to all those bums who say its inferior because it doesn’t have a good plot and copies the others. Go out and buy it. Seriously. They’re, like, ten bucks nowindays. Thats alotta bang for your bucks.

    Also, is that seriously Tingle? Or are you guys just pulling my leg?

    I am guilty. I think OoT is/was the greatest Zelda game ever made (hasn’t had enough time to beat TP yet to make a decision)I really love Oot.

    I just beat TP. admittedly, a lot of things are borrowed, but we must remember it’s been 8 years since we had an OoT. TP has a very intricate storyline, whereas OoT was just “go do stuff”. really, aren’t all 3D Zelda games closely related to OoT? with the exception of Wind Waker, they have all been realistic-looking. should TP have been cel-shaded? no, you can’t have twilight in a cel-shaded world. what are the creators supposed to do to innovate? these reviewers seem to think TP should be completely off the charts, perhaps 2D, and perhaps with no repeating characters or something. let’s all remember the next several Zelda game probably won’t be like OoT or TP. you never know, because the second Wii Zelda could be the greatest game of all time. we can bet it won’t be realistic, but if the current production team stays around we can expect quite the adventure.

    I agree completely with this TML.

    Prophet of Winds said:

    About the cycling of charactors: Whoop-de-doo. Every novel in a series now has the same charactors. Look at Harry Potter. Guess what? There’s the SAME PEOPLE in it! The SAME! You don’t hear anybody griping about that! I guess you can’t compare video games to books, but I think you get my point.

    Each Harry Potter book has all the same characters in it as the other ones because… SURPRISE! They’re all take place one year after the previous story. Each Zelda title… doesn’t necessarily take place immediately after the first. In fact, the games typically take place “centuries apart”… meaning, you SHOULDN’T have the same characters from game to game. Simple, no?

    Windmill Man said:

    Great Lord Ephraim said:

    Windmill Man said:

    Finally, someone who realizes Tingle is in Oot. Great article.

    sure,hes in the lowest area of the shadow temple surrounded by redeads :P .

    Wrong, that’s WRONG!

    Look in the Kokiri Shop. The person behind the desk has a moustache. Kokiris don’t. Tingle does. Quid Quo Pro.

    must be his day job :) .

    Well, its good to be back. I’ve been pouring all my free time into TP and fianlly finished it an hour after my friend who had had it a week longer than me.

    Great Article TML. I agree entirely. Actually I didn’t think OoT was that great even. I know I’m gonna get a lot of wierd look for this one but in my opinion, the Oracle games were the best until TP. I actually had no clue, until I got the port for gamecube, what Ocarina of time was like and I noticed very clearly that it was hailed as the greatest.

    There are so many factors that contribute to OoT being the center of the fanchise, it’s not even funny. Longest drought between it and the last Zelda game, Check. Fist 3D Zelda, Check. Most character based to date, check. Obvious beginning of the timeline for theorists, check. Released at the beginning of the online zelda community, check. Every game that has come after it tethered to it in some way, check.

    That last one is the big point that I find interesting, that pretty much every game after OoT tries to play itself “in terms” of OoT. Capcom’s games have the borrowed characters. MM reuses all the characters, and is the same Link. and WW makes very heavy use of OoT as a backstory.

    The experiences that a friend and I have had while playing through TP highlight an interesting idea. Without going into spoiler realm, there were a ton of things that we thought were amazing about this game. And a few things that were frusterating and disapointing. Yet, when I looked at what was frusterating and disapointing us, I found a common thread. They were issues where TP failed to “pay due respect to OoT,” meaning either it didn’t relate plotwise the way we wanted it to, or it didn’t pay homage to something in OoT the way we wanted it to. When I stopped looking at TP as owing everything that its doing to OoT, when I looked at Twilight Princess in terms of Twilight Princess, instead of in terms of OoT, all of my complaints(and I have a feeling many others as well) dissappeared. I was able to enjoy it more full for what it was. This game doesn’t owe anything more to OoT than the fact that they are in the same series. Anything else that is alluded to is just for kicks, because, lets face it, horse ridding is fun.

    The more Nintendo, and we the Zelda fanbase, can break from OoT, the better it will be for the franchise, and more importantly, the eaiser it will be to enjoy new zelda games.

    Now that, T_mo_Therapy, is what EXACTLY should happen. I completely agree with you. I’m sick of people judging new Zelda games based on Ocarina of Time, and not by their own game.

    I think MM had the best and most intreactive characters, though OoT was the first that had them have personalaties. Please let TP have even more than MM!

    t_mo_therapy said:

    The more Nintendo, and we the Zelda fanbase, can break from OoT, the better it will be for the franchise, and more importantly, the eaiser it will be to enjoy new zelda games.

    Amen, my friend. Amen.

    I agree, OoT is overused. It is like every Zelda fan has the OoT, whether it is the original or the GC remakes(Collecter’s Edition, Master Quest) Call me crazy but I actually enjoyed Majora’s Mask and Wind Waker more than OoT! Despite what most people think, OoT is not perfect, no game is perfect. And I always hear(Well, read, but you get the point) people comparing other Zelda games to OoT! And as a shipper and a fanfic reader who likes romance, you know what I see, you guessed it, OoT stories here, OoT stories there, oh a WW story but it is rarely updated! As a shipper I actually like Link/Tetra better than Link/Zelda because it is rarely used! Okay, I think I’m done with my rambling…

    i liked LttP better,that would make such a cool 3d game if they remade it,and put some more plot into it. i was thinking and i just rememberd i like the art for OoT better than TPs art.

    Got my Wii, got Zelda, love life.

    Robert-UK said:

    Got my Wii, got Zelda, love life.

    Congratulations :-)

    Well put t_mo, who wants to play the same game over and over and over, it’s like playing all the Madden games. What makes ‘05 better than ‘01? Football is Football. (for all you non-Americans who don’t know, footbal that I’m talking about doesn’t not involve a black and white ball, that is called soccer, footbal is rather different.) I thought the TP plot was the thickest yet, now to play through it again in a week and actually do the sidequests, heh, heh.

    Light Link 007 said:

    Robert-UK said:

    Got my Wii, got Zelda, love life.

    Congratulations :-)

    Well put t_mo, who wants to play the same game over and over and over, it’s like playing all the Madden games. What makes ‘05 better than ‘01? Football is Football. (for all you non-Americans who don’t know, footbal that I’m talking about doesn’t not involve a black and white ball, that is called soccer, footbal is rather different.) I thought the TP plot was the thickest yet, now to play through it again in a week and actually do the sidequests, heh, heh.

    AHEM, Ill have you know that Football or as you Americans call it “Soccer” had the name first, you guys just nicked it and renamed out Sport… theives, lol.

    to M Warrior: From most of the stories I’ve read (lots of them, many of them), LinkxZelda is used the most often.
    to subject: I love Ocarina of Time, in fact, I love any Zelda game. But the community needs to let go of Ocarina a little. Almost every fanfic, almost every piece of art, is Ocarina. I hope Twilight Princess takes that place of Ocarina. Sure, five years from now we’ll probably want the community to let go of Twilight Princess, but for now, it would be a relief.

    Master Link said:

    to M Warrior: From most of the stories I’ve read (lots of them, many of them), LinkxZelda is used the most often.
    to subject: I love Ocarina of Time, in fact, I love any Zelda game. But the community needs to let go of Ocarina a little. Almost every fanfic, almost every piece of art, is Ocarina. I hope Twilight Princess takes that place of Ocarina. Sure, five years from now we’ll probably want the community to let go of Twilight Princess, but for now, it would be a relief.

    I agree, I’m still looking for TP stories and art around Fanfiction.net and Deviantart.com, it is always OoT!

    Master Link said:
    Sure, five years from now we’ll probably want the community to let go of Twilight Princess, but for now, it would be a relief.

    a bit strange maybe,but I would like if people would let go of it now.why you might ask? because ever since they released the twilight princess art pictures some 2 years ago (maybe less) thats all thats been used.advertisments,polls, you name it.now thats not to say they arent good pictures,there all pretty cool (well not zelda shes ugly),its just overkill.the game wasnt even released when they started it.I always wondered how these guys would feel if they finally played the game and the main stars were nerds :P (unlikely yes,but they could have taken some precautions).my point is,people seem to cling to whats new (or what seems beter in some cases).why? how the heck should I know? maybe they get bored with the other stuff :? .

    agreeing with one of the first blogs, we have to have the creatures that were in ww, i mean, why introduce a specific creature to a zelda game and never use it again ( and dont snipe at me, i havent played phantom hourglass yet, but im pretty sure they still have the rito)?Not to mention, but from the demos i have seen, it rfrences back to alttp and mm (technichally, its not a spoiler, because i never said how *evil grin*). TP better not have any refrences to oot though, i have had about enough of those (havent we all).

    Slightly off subject: TML, can we party like it’s 1985? *music montage*
    On subject: The first fan thing of TP was on an article before this one, I think. I didn’t get it, though. Once I get to play it, I’ll create a fanfic. Set for TP, some time after it.

    2 days till TP is supplied here in mo!

    doublepost: you know, the only way i would be remotely pleased that the tp had a reference to oot is if they included something like the well or the shadow temple. those freaked me out, and when i tried to play, i almost couldnt in those areas.

    Jumanji Shishioh said:

    Slightly off subject: TML, can we party like it’s 1985? *music montage*

    Be my guest! However, don’t be surprised when people tell you that your style is so 20th century! :D

    Im doing pretty well on Twilight Princess so far, ive been playing since friday and I am now part way through the dungeon in gerudo Desert, man I love this game.

    BTW I never thought I would meet a character freakier than Tingle… but I have, What the *Navi* is Oocoo, come back Tingle all is forgiven.

    Robert-UK said:

    Im doing pretty well on Twilight Princess so far, ive been playing since friday and I am now part way through the dungeon in gerudo Desert, man I love this game.

    BTW I never thought I would meet a character freakier than Tingle… but I have, What the *Navi* is Oocoo, come back Tingle all is forgiven.

    whoa,careful on the spoilers :? !

    Robert-UK said:

    Light Link 007 said:

    Robert-UK said:

    Got my Wii, got Zelda, love life.

    Congratulations :-)

    Well put t_mo, who wants to play the same game over and over and over, it’s like playing all the Madden games. What makes ‘05 better than ‘01? Football is Football. (for all you non-Americans who don’t know, footbal that I’m talking about doesn’t not involve a black and white ball, that is called soccer, footbal is rather different.) I thought the TP plot was the thickest yet, now to play through it again in a week and actually do the sidequests, heh, heh.

    AHEM, Ill have you know that Football or as you Americans call it “Soccer” had the name first, you guys just nicked it and renamed out Sport… theives, lol.

    I don’t like either.

    Robert-UK said:

    Im doing pretty well on Twilight Princess so far, ive been playing since friday and I am now part way through the dungeon in gerudo Desert, man I love this game.

    BTW I never thought I would meet a character freakier than Tingle… but I have, What the *Navi* is Oocoo, come back Tingle all is forgiven.

    Ooccoo’s don’t steal money though.

    its ooccas, the name of that individual is oocoo.