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The Phoenix

September 13th, 2006 at 12:12 pm by Archaic Sage

When we consider Zelda, we consider Zelda, Link, swords, bows and arrows, bombs and Ganondorf. This is what is at the forefront of almost all Zelda games, and is what keeps the passion of Zelda alive, the continuity. However, there are many other areas in which we must delve a lot deeper in before we can uncover any form of truth or speculation. In this event, we must use our common knowledge, as many canon sources as possible and a level of experience that only comes with debating and playing Zelda.

In this case, I’m going to be discussing the Phoenix in Zelda, well, what I believe represents a phoenix, and it always occurs near the Triforce. It is much like the symbol of the Triforce. There has been much fanon surrounding the Phoenix, and it has been believed that the Phoenix is protecting the Triforce. However, as I stated, this is simply fanon and it is something that really needs to be ignored. After all, there’s also a fourth Triforce piece there as well, does that mean that there is a fourth Triforce piece. Of course not. Too many powerful sources have made influential statements against this.

In regards to the Phoenix, the first time that anything in regards to the Phoenix that comes to life is very early on in the series. It starts in A Link to the Past, and that is simply by the shield design. If we look at the image (inset left) we can see that there is a clear, something, underneath the Triforce on the shield design. This could be interpreted as a number of things. It could be read into as little as it’s merely a shield design and is nothing to take into serious consideration.

This is usually the stance that I would take on this; it is simply, and purely, decoration. However, if it were purely decoration, it would not then occur again, and again throughout the Zelda series. We can see that this is a symbol that is clearly meant to be in direct comparison to Zelda as it occurs again, however, not as far into the future as say Ocarina of Time, but within the same game. The Japanese Player’s Guide for A Link to the Past has a level of artwork that is not often seen within the Western counterpart. Within the Japanese Player’s Guide, there are certain pictures of Princess Zelda, in royal regalia.

When looking at the picture (inset right) we can see that the Triforce has a clear mark underneath it. This mark looks like it could be Japanese writing; it also looks like something rising up from far below. This furthers my belief that it could be the Phoenix.

The next game, historically speaking, that has any real references to the Phoenix is Ocarina of Time, as Link’s Awakening has the same official art as A Link to the Past in the most part. Ocarina of Time has a fair few references to the Phoenix within the artwork, and as this was the first game where we could see any real detail on the characters themselves. As such the character design had a huge step up, after all, these designs were meant to be there, they are not some random act of any Zelda character designer. The first real reference that we see to a Phoenix is when we see Ganondorf riding through a flame filled area.

However, this does not really mean that there are any real references to a Phoenix there, after all, fire does not equate directly to a Phoenix. Yet, once we move to see the Princess Zelda in Zelda’s Courtyard, we see her dress, and we see her directly for the first time. The imagery we see is a Phoenix (inset left). This creature is in no doubt now. It looks like a bird rising up. In mythology one of the most powerful birds is a Phoenix and it would make sense that the Royal Family and the Triforce would have connections to a Phoenix, as a Phoenix is eternal.

This is not the lone symbol within Ocarina of Time of the Phoenix either. Adult Zelda has the same symbol on her regalia and the Hylian Shield has the same symbol (inset right). This can only be considered further evidence that there is some sort of strong connection with Hyrule and the Royal Family to the Phoenix.

There is now one more image that I’m going to direct our attention too, just to further reiterate the point that the direct reference to the Phoenix is an act of mistake. There are many more references to this character design within The Wind Waker, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures and The Minish Cap. However, the next image I’m going to direct us too is obvious, it is the only game that we’ve not touched upon yet, which is Twilight Princess. If we consider the fact that Twilight Princess is going to be the most realistic Zelda game that we’ve seen to date, we can safely assume that the creators have poured a lot of time and effort into the game as a whole. If we look at the design on Zelda’s dress (inset left), we can see that there is a clear correlation between that character design and the Ocarina of Time design.

This correlation is clearly not uncommon, after all, we’ve now seen this symbol, if not slightly evolved along the way, appear in at least eight Zelda games, which clearly shows that this is not a random act of odd character design, but it is a symbol that is meant to be within The Legend of Zelda, and there is little that doesn’t hold a deeper meaning to something else. Although, if we are to believe that the character design is a strong direction of what the Zelda mythology is, then we can clearly see that the fourth piece of the Triforce has fallen out of favour with the character design, and as such, we can believe that this is Nintendo’s way of destroying that belief.

This is unquestionable evidence to lead us to the conclusive proof that there is a definite trend with the Phoenix within The Legend of Zelda. However, why have I decided that it is the Phoenix, and why is it known as the Phoenix throughout a large part of the Zelda Community.

Well, I’ve been in the community for many years now, which makes me feel very old, however, in my time, I’ve not come across an interview that has given the Phoenix a definitive name, or even if it is truly the Phoenix. The grounding behind my belief is not simply because it makes sense, but it looks like an interpretation of classic Phoenix design. If we look at the Phoenix from the Aberdeen Bestiary (see below)

we can see that the design looks similar to the main design of the Phoenix within the egg. It has the classic open winged pose, and it is looking up towards, in this case the Sun, in the case of Zelda, usually the Triforce. There are many other Phoenix designs throughout history that are similar in stance and style, which is why I believe that it is a safe assumption to guess that the Phoenix in Zelda is actually a Phoenix.

Yet, how can we really call it a Phoenix, when there is really very little relevance of the Phoenix within The Legend of Zelda. Well, the Phoenix has incredible power, according to the Harry Potter world; it can lift heavy loads and can heal someone with their tears. In most mythological senses, the Phoenix is a powerful symbol of immortality and rebirth. Which again can be linked to The Legend of Zelda, as there are many times when the land of Hyrule has been at near destruction and has been reborn by our Hero saving the land. However, this is not the only representation that the Phoenix has. Throughout recent religious history, the Phoenix has become a strong symbol to Christianity, and in many cases has become a sign of Jesus Christ and his rebirth and immortality.

This would not be the first reference to Christianity within Zelda. The Legend of Zelda’s shield design is a simple cross, which has been linked to Christianity many times before, and been reputed before as well. However, within A Link to the Past, there is Official Art of Link looking up toward a person on a Cross, which can be clearly referred to as Jesus; however, this was more than likely to be a concept created by the artist rather than a piece of canon source evidence that we can clearly use as a link between Zelda and Christianity.

Yet, the link between the Phoenix and Zelda remains strong. The very fact that it is always around the Triforce has led to more than one belief that there is a Phoenix guarding the Triforce; however, if that is the case, one must wonder why there has been little discussion of the Phoenix from Ganondorf within Ocarina of Time when he dived into the Sacred Realm to gain access to the Triforce.

At the very least, we can make the clear correlation between the Phoenix and The Legend of Zelda, and we can also make the assumption that the Phoenix is used, not as a factual piece of evidence to state that there is a Phoenix guarding the Triforce, but to understand it’s use of symbolism. The Phoenix represents rebirth, immortality and purity, which can all be linked to The Legend of Zelda, the very fact that it appears that Link is reborn many times, Ganondorf appears to be immortal and the Triforce much be touched by someone pure otherwise the world falls into disrepute is a simple, and shallow use of symbolism. Yet, this shallowness does prove one thing, that there is obviously something much deeper waiting to be uncovered with the Phoenix within The Legend of Zelda, and that may be released to us in Twilight Princess.

So that’s my monthly article stolen from Harkinian. I hope you all enjoyed some of my thoughts.

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    Great article, Archiac Sage. I dunno about the Phoenix and Jesus, I’m a Christian, and I never heard that one before. I think that there is a real phoenix guarding the Triforce, from those that wish to destroy it, or it may be just a symbol. Maybe, as a symbol, it represents Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf, always fighting for the darn thing(s).

    Thanks Hyrulian Hero. The research that I uncovered on Wikipedia led me to the Christian element. Until I did some research (yes, I research articles) I didn’t know about the Christian element either. I can see it, with the entire Easter Egg (Egg > Spring > Birth) and Phoenix’s rebirth and immortality thing. But I would’ve assumed that they would have been declared evil by pre-modern-era Christians as they seem a bit ‘devlish’.

    I’m waiting for: LOLZ OVERANAYLISATION

    I thought that the bird shape was the symbol of the Royal Family. (BTW, canon is the spelling you want; cannon is a a type of large gun.)

    @Chappers:
    LOL. I really need to get out of bad habits. It’s always been a joke that I’ve used in the HP Community, and I’ve just moved it over here XD. Thanks for pointing it out :: changes ::

    Archaic Sage said:

    Thanks Hyrulian Hero. The research that I uncovered on Wikipedia led me to the Christian element. Until I did some research (yes, I research articles) I didn’t know about the Christian element either. I can see it, with the entire Easter Egg (Egg > Spring > Birth) and Phoenix’s rebirth and immortality thing. But I would’ve assumed that they would have been declared evil by pre-modern-era Christians as they seem a bit ‘devlish’.

    I’m waiting for: LOLZ OVERANAYLISATION

    I think those kind of Christains were Catholics, they deemed a lot of stuff evil. Some things are evil, but the majority of stuff is ok. I gotta see where you found those elements on Wikipedia, bit you have made an interesting point about Easter (I never though I’d see the day that I talk about Christianity and Zelda together *slaps forehead*) Anyways, the phoenix and the three people who have the Trifroce do seem to be in common, for one thing, they won’t stay dead. Maybe because they contain the power of the Triforce in their souls, which keeps them from passing over into the afterlife (I see the Golden World, or as it is now known as the Sacred Realm, as a Hyrulian Heaven) and there are some forms of a Holy fire in the Bible, so the phoenix should just be a neutral creature, not on the bad side, but not on the good side either.

    Archaic Sage said:

    Thanks Hyrulian Hero. The research that I uncovered on Wikipedia led me to the Christian element. Until I did some research (yes, I research articles) I didn’t know about the Christian element either. I can see it, with the entire Easter Egg (Egg > Spring > Birth) and Phoenix’s rebirth and immortality thing. But I would’ve assumed that they would have been declared evil by pre-modern-era Christians as they seem a bit ‘devlish’.

    I’m waiting for: LOLZ OVERANAYLISATION

    On the contrary. Though there really isn’t much of a link between christianity and the phoenix (at least in modern times) the phoenix has never been evil. It may have derived from the Holy Spirit sometimes being portrayed as a flaming dove. Usually its not flaming though.
    However I seriously doubt that anything to deep will be revealed in TP. They still have more games to make. BUT PLEASE NO UNDERWATER DUNGEONS!!!

    Light Link 007, I specifically said that this was olden Christian times in the comments, and in the article, I stated in Christianity, even if it’s outdated, it still exists. Furthermore, there are many peaceful elements of pre-Christianity that have been deemed evil, even when they weren’t. Why should the Phoenix not be deemed that? Simply because they pulled it into their belief system, at least they did back like 1500 years ago and alike.

    With overanalysation in mind, the Triforce could easily represent the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (three parts for three ‘gods’). Although that being said, I do disagree with that statement. There are so many things that if you look into it deeply enough can become associated with anything.

    I feel that the Phoenix element within Zelda is closer to the pre-Christian anecdotes of it, simply because Zelda contains magic and is more mythological than it is religious, in some senses.

    Also, I’m an atheist and would be sad if Zelda was religious (well, a real religion).

    Forgive me Light Link, but, there is one (remember the movie from E3 ‘06, the worm that was underwater) and I never heard of a flaming dove before, but a flaming bush is better known ^_^

    Archaic Sage said:

    Light Link 007, I specifically said that this was olden Christian times in the comments, and in the article, I stated in Christianity, even if it’s outdated, it still exists. Furthermore, there are many peaceful elements of pre-Christianity that have been deemed evil, even when they weren’t. Why should the Phoenix not be deemed that? Simply because they pulled it into their belief system, at least they did back like 1500 years ago and alike.

    With overanalysation in mind, the Triforce could easily represent the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (three parts for three ‘gods’). Although that being said, I do disagree with that statement. There are so many things that if you look into it deeply enough can become associated with anything.

    I feel that the Phoenix element within Zelda is closer to the pre-Christian anecdotes of it, simply because Zelda contains magic and is more mythological than it is religious, in some senses.

    Also, I’m an atheist and would be sad if Zelda was religious (well, a real religion).

    I know. I’m Catholic. I know that well. Forgive me if it sounded otherwise. Alsdo the Holy Trinity is not three Gods three persons in one God. Its confusing.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    Forgive me Light Link, but, there is one (remember the movie from E3 ‘06, the worm that was underwater) and I never heard of a flaming dove before, but a flaming bush is better known ^_^

    NOOOOOOO!!!!! I HATE WATER DUNGEONS!!!!!!
    Also I said it was rare to see it. But its usually associated with the pentecost. With the Spirit coming upon the apostles and the tongues of flame resting on their heads. It basically a way of combining several elements into one.

    Finally some other people who dont think the fourth triangle is a fallen triforce. So many stupid friends who think that.
    “Well this guy on the internet said…”
    Yeah well Jack Thompson said..

    but the phoenix came from egyptian mythology…
    maybe they just the phoenix symbol because it looks cool :)

    It sounds logical that’s its related to chrisitanity, because even if it is originally Egyptian (and I think it might be) the trinity symbol is also used as a christian symbol but it is used in christian art. Not to mention the pheonix is used in lots of other video games too.

    SS4 Kurama said:

    but the phoenix came from egyptian mythology…
    maybe they just used the phoenix symbol because it looks cool :)

    (i hope i didnt just double post :( )

    I did not know that.
    I dont think they meant to relate it to christianity though. After all, three is used all over the place. 3 races in starcraft, 3 new articles on the same day, 3 warhammer 40k races sitting in my room. 3 popcans on the floor… it goes on. But you can link anything to anything if you want. Like the wooly-mammoth to NASA. What I want to know is what exactly the royal family is ruling. I mean how far does there circle of influence extend? In Oot I mean.

    Archaic Sage said:
    Until I did some research (yes, I research articles) I didn’t know about the Christian element either. I can see it, with the entire Easter Egg (Egg > Spring > Birth) and Phoenix’s rebirth and immortality thing. But I would’ve assumed that they would have been declared evil by pre-modern-era Christians as they seem a bit ‘devlish’.

    The Easter Egg has nothing to do with rebirth or immortality in the Christian religion, though i’m sure Churches today want everyone to think that.

    The early church faced a dilemia: conversion to their religion by the masses who were a mixture of other Pagan religions. So, instead of forcing them all into Christianity, they merely placed new holidays on top of old ones. The Christian Easter celebration/holiday is on the same day as a Pagan Spring celebration. The eggs, rabbits, baby chicks, flowers, etc. are all Pagan symbols of fertility.

    As for the Phoenix in Zelda, I think it could go either way. It could either have a great hidden significance that will be revealed at some later date, or it could be just the animators saying “Haaay yous guys, this fire bird is all about rebirth and all of our characters get reborn in the games all of the time, let’s stick it on their dresses and shields, yay!” I just hope the animators don’t talk like that. Good article though.

    yeah link gets reborn every 20 minutes or so in some dungeons. Sometimes every 2. He should have a phoenix tattoo on his arm.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    I dunno about the Phoenix and Jesus, I’m a Christian, and I never heard that one before.

    same here 0_o .

    anyways I think the phoinex would represent the royal family.after all they do protect the triforce (sort of -_- ),plus the symbol apears on almost everything in the castle(s).

    Great Lord Ephraim said:
    anyways I think the phoinex would represent the royal family.after all they do protect the triforce (sort of -_- ),plus the symbol apears on almost everything in the castle(s).

    this is true. It probably just looks cool and thats why its there. Like Links floppy hat. And Zelda’s pink dress.

    If you look at the pictures, you can see a change of the symbols, as the extra Triforce pieces slowly disappear, the Phoenix developes more. I wonder why it is like that, it starts with a shapeless bird thing and two extra Triforce Pieces, then it turns into a bird shape (looks almost like a Nazca-line thing) with no Triforce pieces, Odd.

    You know the Essence of the Triforce that was in OoS, Ooa, and aLttP. I think the Phoenix is the Essence of the Triforce! BTW I don’t know much Christan stuff because I’m Jewish.

    Ok we can safely assume that Zelda has nthing to do with God.

    From my surfing around the Zelda Community, from what I know, one of the first references of a bird in the Zelda Universe is the Eagle Dungeon of LoZ, then in AoL, there were bird-like enemies, like a bird that drops rocks, and jumping birds in armor, then there is the ThunderBird boss… maybe the bird is not a Phoenix, but a Thunder Bird of Native American belief. Of course, it looked somewhat like an angel rather than a bird, and Thunder is it’s weakness.

    The phoenix design could also mean other things. Usually, the phoenix also stands for the hero in mytholgy, and stands for the personal struggle the hero must go through. Maybe that’s why it became more bird like as Link has had more adventures. Just a thought.

    Archaic Sage, very nice article. I’ve always been intrigued as to why this symbol keeps cropping up on so many things Zelda… especially when it gets no official explanation anywhere within the series. (The mysteries of Hyrule, I tell ya.) But it’s a very good analysis. You have my two thumbs up. :)

    I’ve always thought of that bird that “phoenix” to just be some sort of symbol of the royal family that has been passed down without question, just like the Triforce symbol (How many of the soldiers that use those shields actually know what the Triforce even is?) I’ve never gone deeper into it than that. And I think I never will even be bothered will.

    I do find this very interesting, but ever since A Link to the Past, some sort of bird seems to have played an important role in the game. The Bird that answers to the Flute in A Link to the Past, the the Flying Rooster is Link’s Awakening, Keabora Geabora in Ocarina of Time and his counterpart in Majora’s Mask, then the bird people (I forgot what they were called)in Wind Waker. ther are also the Cuccos which I do belive made their first apperace in A Link to the Past as well (I haven’t played Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link yet, nor those other terrible CDi games, so I could be wrong). But, aren’t the Cucco’s very important to Hyrule? (They are like Hyrule last line of defense against imposing doom, seriously, them buggers are undefeatable.) So, perhaps the bird, this so called Pheonix (Derived from Egyptian Mythology, belive it or not), could quite possubly be more like a “Holy Cucco” of some sort. But, in the more recent games I’ve also noticed that this bird on the sheild had started to look more like an owl that a Pheonix/ Holy Cucco. Well, that’s just my veiw on it. Either way, though, it is quite a mystery. (And that fourth Triforce piece… I’ve heard from some people that there IS a fourth piece, a sort of “dark” piece, and that it belongs to Dark Link or something like that. I do belive this should be taken rather seriously and should be looked further into. We need to start having “Zelda-ologists” or something… (”Hyrule-ologist”? “Triforce-ologist”? …I could keep going. HEY, TML! Here’s an idea! Start a Zelda School which specializes in things like “Cucco-ology” or “Zora-ology” or even “Enchantedmusicalinstrument-ology” ~.^ Just some food for thought.)

    Don’t mention Zora-ology around Robert-UK, trust me. *steps back a little* Well, seeing the Cucco are indestructible, it could be possible that they are Hyrule’s last line of defense, that would be a good article to write about. What if the bird is actually a Thunder Owl, and not a Phoenix, just a thought.

    I always thought it was a reference to the Thunderbird, AoL’s penultimate boss.

    Check out the version of it on Wind Waker Link’s shield compared to the boss, you’ll see what I mean.

    WW Link’s shield: http://www.zelda-world.com/v3/img/zeldatww/Artworks/poster/001.jpg

    AoL’s Thunderbird: http://www.ganonstower.com/st2-6.jpg

    Ahhh, but lets remember back to Ocarina of Time in the workers tent outside the Gerudo’s fortress and even in Zelda’s courytard… The Triforce above a pair of spreading wings and nothing more. Maybe that suggests not a phoenix, but an owl…

    I got nothin else
    P.s I tried to find a pic, but no-one seems to have one

    Snowsilver said:

    I always thought it was a reference to the Thunderbird, AoL’s penultimate boss.

    Check out the version of it on Wind Waker Link’s shield compared to the boss, you’ll see what I mean.

    WW Link’s shield: http://www.zelda-world.com/v3/img/zeldatww/Artworks/poster/001.jpg

    AoL’s Thunderbird: http://www.ganonstower.com/st2-6.jpg

    I was thinking of the Thunder Bid in the game. And, they don’t look too similar, they both have different heads.

    Musica said:

    We need to start having “Zelda-ologists” or something… (”Hyrule-ologist”? “Triforce-ologist”? …I could keep going. HEY, TML! Here’s an idea! Start a Zelda School which specializes in things like “Cucco-ology” or “Zora-ology” or even “Enchantedmusicalinstrument-ology” ~.^ Just some food for thought.)

    Well, there’s this: The Department of Gerudological Studies

    As to the link between Zelda and Christianity, I wouldn’t be too quick to dismiss it. Whether the creators of the games intended it or no, there’s a lot of powerful symbolism in the Zelda games referring to elements of the Christian faith, especially in OoT. A Holy Trinity, a history of Creation, a supreme evil being who desires divine power…and yes, this whole phoenix thing may tie into it as well. I agree with certain other people who posted above that the phoenix isn’t really a typically-used symbol in Christianity, but it does fit to some degree.

    Aubrey the Bard said:

    Musica said:

    We need to start having “Zelda-ologists” or something… (”Hyrule-ologist”? “Triforce-ologist”? …I could keep going. HEY, TML! Here’s an idea! Start a Zelda School which specializes in things like “Cucco-ology” or “Zora-ology” or even “Enchantedmusicalinstrument-ology” ~.^ Just some food for thought.)

    Well, there’s this: The Department of Gerudological Studies

    As to the link between Zelda and Christianity, I wouldn’t be too quick to dismiss it. Whether the creators of the games intended it or no, there’s a lot of powerful symbolism in the Zelda games referring to elements of the Christian faith, especially in OoT. A Holy Trinity, a history of Creation, a supreme evil being who desires divine power…and yes, this whole phoenix thing may tie into it as well. I agree with certain other people who posted above that the phoenix isn’t really a typically-used symbol in Christianity, but it does fit to some degree.

    Yes, but to avoid any unwanted arguments/insult, wether unintended or not, I suggest we leave religion alone for now. I know of many a community that has been devstated by religion-based arguments and flame-wars.

    Archaic Sage for the MM shield. There’s a bird there too. Also in MM there’s the Song of Saoring. Link himself sprouts wings. I do somewhat agree with this whole owl hypothesis.

    The bird on the shield does look more like an owl. You know, owls didn’t apear until the LA game, so there must be some sort of importance to the owl, maybe it’s like the country bird or something, and our friend, Kaepora Gaebora, is a sage reborn as an owl.

    eh,maybe its Kaepora Gaebora on the shiled :? .I think they should make a game were hes not an owl…then again I also want a fire emblem game were you play the 8 heros and a young nergal :P .

    I have a few theories on this such as-

    Link is the Pheonix.
    In some ways Link could be described as the Pheonix of legend as(almost) every time Hyrule has been in danger a young boy/man clothed in green always rises to face the coming darkness.

    The Triforce is the Pheonix.
    In one of the Zelda games (I forget which) the Triforce transforms into three golden birds at the end of the game which fly off in different directions.

    The Pheonix is the Fourth Triforce piece.
    The Triforce of Wisdom gives the bearer great wisdom, the Triforce of power gives the bearer great power and the Triforce of courage gives the bearer great courage so maybe the fourth Triforce piece being the Pheonix and flying around the world gives the bearer the power over life and death and could be called the Triforce of life.

    Many theories here which could have grains of truth to them depending on which you want to believe, I myself believe that Link is the Pheonix in human form and that is why he is always reborn in each generation, The Legend of Zelda: The Next Generation anyone ^^.

    Great Lord Ephraim said:

    eh,maybe its Kaepora Gaebora on the shiled :? .I think they should make a game were hes not an owl…then again I also want a fire emblem game were you play the 8 heros and a young nergal :P .

    Yeah a good 3d one. Not like PoR.

    Yeah and Link does always have some sort of flame. Like a lantern or arrows or magic.
    Maybe Pheonix Owl?

    I think they should make a Zelda Game called

    The Legend Of Zelda:
    Arie of the Pheonix

    That would be cool.

    i always wondered what that bird was there for mabe your right

    Here is a little off topic question/suggestion. Are there Legend Of Zelda conventions (Like Star Trek and Sci-fi conventions)? And if not then why and who thinks there should be? Also rumor has it that someone is making a Zelda musical. Is this true?

    Robert-UK said:

    I have a few theories on this such as-

    Link is the Pheonix.
    In some ways Link could be described as the Pheonix of legend as(almost) every time Hyrule has been in danger a young boy/man clothed in green always rises to face the coming darkness.

    The Triforce is the Pheonix.
    In one of the Zelda games (I forget which) the Triforce transforms into three golden birds at the end of the game which fly off in different directions.

    The Pheonix is the Fourth Triforce piece.
    The Triforce of Wisdom gives the bearer great wisdom, the Triforce of power gives the bearer great power and the Triforce of courage gives the bearer great courage so maybe the fourth Triforce piece being the Pheonix and flying around the world gives the bearer the power over life and death and could be called the Triforce of life.

    Many theories here which could have grains of truth to them depending on which you want to believe, I myself believe that Link is the Pheonix in human form and that is why he is always reborn in each generation, The Legend of Zelda: The Next Generation anyone ^^.

    And each of your ideas seems very interesting in some points. The Triforce turning int obirds maybe in LA or the Oracles, because I don’t know any, and I didn’t know that happened. And the Phoenix being the Fourth Triforce, maybe in fanfiction, but we’ve been beat, but it does sound cool.

    Light Link 007 said:

    I think they should make a Zelda Game called

    The Legend Of Zelda:
    Arie of the Pheonix

    That would be cool.

    *LOL* Funny Light Link ^_^ IT would make a good next title.

    Musica said:

    We need to start having “Zelda-ologists” or something… (”Hyrule-ologist”? “Triforce-ologist”? …I could keep going. HEY, TML! Here’s an idea! Start a Zelda School which specializes in things like “Cucco-ology” or “Zora-ology” or even “Enchantedmusicalinstrument-ology” ~.^ Just some food for thought.)

    In my own fantasy world of Hyrule, I often call myself “Professor of Hyrulian History.” ;)

    Let’s think on the phoenix for a second. What would it look like, does it create fire, or just dies in it, can it breathe fire, and how big is it? The OoT shield may offer more clues than we notice. If you look at its (disconnected) head, it looks like it has a horn-like structure, which in birds, can be a crest (like a cockatiel) or horns made up of feathers (like certain species of owls) if I missed a bird, lemme know. Anyways, I also read around here that the supposed “fourth piece” of the Triforce is actually the Triforce of Wisdom, and I know that any owl character has been known to have great wisdom, so maybe it’s an owl, not a phoenix. Plus, I haven’t seen one t.v. show, with a super-hero team that’s colored coodinated, where red isn’t the color of the leader, so this “red owl” symbol maybe the Royal Family signature, since Princess Zelda has the Triforce of Wisdom, and red is the color of leadership. Just thinking.

    Forgive me for double posting, but I felt like posting something.

    Archaic Sage said:

    Thanks Hyrulian Hero. The research that I uncovered on Wikipedia led me to the Christian element. Until I did some research (yes, I research articles) I didn’t know about the Christian element either. I can see it, with the entire Easter Egg (Egg > Spring > Birth) and Phoenix’s rebirth and immortality thing. But I would’ve assumed that they would have been declared evil by pre-modern-era Christians as they seem a bit ‘devlish’.

    I’m waiting for: LOLZ OVERANAYLISATION

    I was doing some surfing on Wikipedia now, and when I was looking at the Hierarchy of Angels, I found the name of a fallen angel named “Phenex” (and it’s pronounced as phoenix) so, it’s slightly demonic, but it has no real reference to the true phoenix, the bird of reincarnation.

    I am doing a fan-fiction, and the Forth piece of the triforce (Or, The Quadforce, as it is sometimes refered to) is the Quadforce of Heros.

    On the contrary. Though there really isn’t much of a link between christianity and the phoenix (at least in modern times) the phoenix has never been evil. It may have derived from the Holy Spirit sometimes being portrayed as a flaming dove. Usually its not flaming though.

    you know, this was pretty early in the article, but, he is right, the pheonix always was a sign of immortality, extreme power (according to sources i have read), and PURITY. it never has represented evil (unless there is some sick and twisted game/movie out there).