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The Annual Zelda Family Reunion

August 8th, 2006 at 1:25 am by The Missing Link

I threatened with a post about this in the comments section of a previous post. Today, I follow through with my threat.

I’m sure you’ve all been to a family reunion at one point in your life. (I actually missed mine this year thanks to a certain business trip, and I’m not sure if I got the better end of the deal in the end.) Every year, my family gathers together about an hour from my place of residence to once again share news from the farthest reaches of the family tree; remember how everyone looks; or–in my case–hopelessly fail to remember who these people are, what their names are, and just how in the world they’re related to me. (I’ve failed the pop quiz of this five years running, and I’ll be going for the world record next year!)

When I play the more recent Zelda titles, I cannot help but think about our annual family reunions down in the Middle of Nowhere, Ohio. Back in the older days of Zelda, characters were just random pixels that had been spntaneously grouped together to form a sprite that somewhat resembled a human being. Rarely were they given names, and never were they pulled from a previous game into the next game in the series. The likes of Error, Sahasrahla, Marin, Joe NPC, and the ubiquitous Old Man were never to see the likes of Zelda again outside of their original context, and the Goddesses Three declared it good.

But ever since Ocarina, characters have shown this amazing resilienace to death by mass forgetfulness. I need only mention a few of them before you’ll quickly see where I’m going with this:

  • The Oracles: Starred in Oracle of Ages and Seasons; had a cameo in Minish Cap.
  • Dark Link: Debuted in Adventure of Link, brought back in Ocarina, totally abused in Four Swords Adventures
  • The Gerudo: Invented in Ocarina, recast as pirates in Majora’s Mask, then converted back to Gerudohood in Four Swords Adventures
  • Anju: Formerly the Cucco Lady in Ocarina, officially named in Majora, then pulled straight into Minish
  • Dampé: Tending graves in Ocarina, Majora, Minish, and beyond (where no gravekeeper has gone before!)
  • Tingle: Introducing weirdness in Majora, cameoed in Ages, allowed to commit highway robbery in Waker and blatant theft in Adventures, then brought back to the side of sidequest in Minish Cap… and is only bested by
  • Malon: Starred in Ocarina, had TWO roles in Majora, cameoed in Seasons, pulled into Adventures, and then put as an obstacle in the main quest of Minish

This, of course, is just a very small list of the repeated characters; if you want more, just play Minish Cap; I think they’ve thrown every character that ever existed save for Saria into that game. Seriously, what gives?

Other than throwing timeline enthusiasts into absolute conniptions, I’ve always found the reappearance of a memorable character in a completely unrelated game… well… not all that exciting. Take Malon, for instance. Sageshipper though I am, I liked and respected Malon for her role in Ocarina of Time. Now while her appearance in Majora’s Mask (as Cremia and Romani) was there largely for convenience in getting the game out quickly, her roles in Seasons, Adventures, and Minish were not. She was merely thrown into the game in order for us to resurrect some sentimentality for her based upon our opinion of her from her original appearances in the series. Yet in each of these last three games, each time she serves merely as a placeholder NPC; all she’s worth is either one step along a trading quest or as a piece in some puzzle for our hero Link to solve. It could have been anybody in that position, but someone on the development team decided upon Malon.

Here we see Malon, a fully developed character from one of the greatest acclaimed Zelda titles of all time, converted to slaving away as just another random NPC, saying perhaps three or four lines each time, and then doing nothing else. (This should cause ranchshippers–you Link/Malon fans out there–some serious ire.) All of this is done simply for the hope that we, the gamers, will draw upon our love of the character from the previous game, associate it with this game, and thus consequentially completely and utterly cherish the new title.

Maybe it’s just me, but this seems a bit artifical. What’s really going on here is the subtle art of distraction. It’s the classic game of Hey-Look-over-There, whereupon we, being naïve cast a passing glance over at something pretty tossed into the game… only to look back and completely miss the glaring weaknesses of the game because it escaped out the back door when we weren’t looking. For the Oracle games, that was the lack of a deep plot; for Four Swords Adventures, to make the stages of the game less boring; for Waker, the Triforce Hunt quest; for Minish Cap, the poorly designed overworld/plot device. Granted, these weaknesses in the titles are by no means enough to say that the game isn’t worth the silicon it’s printed on. They are decent Zelda titles in their own right; at the same time, though, it is an attempt to fool us into thinking the game is better than it is.

At a deeper level, however, the constant reuse of characters in subsequent games prevents new characters from suddenly appearing within the series. Now while I do believe that this will not be a problem in Twilight Princess and, likely, console Zeldas in the future, I don’t believe we’ll ever find a portable Zelda title as rich as Link’s Awakening… at least until this trend reverses itself. Portable Zeldas will seem to be a derivative work off of some previous Zelda title, and while we’ll still like it, they’ll never rise to being our favourite Zelda games of all time, if only because of lack of originality… and creativity, two things which I feel made Zelda the big success it is today.

Maybe I’ve been spoiled by the older Zelda titles; maybe I’m just longing for the way Zelda used to be. But when it comes down to it, I just cannot see all the hubbub over Tingle this or Malon that. I believe it’s time to stop obsessing over characters that once were and put some new blood into our characters.

Agree or disagree?

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    I think we will see many new characters in TP. However Nintendo loves to reuse old characters, so I don’t think that’s going to change.

    However this trend happens more in the 2D games then the 3D. In TWW, hardly any of the characters we’re reused. Mainly because Hyrule was entirely different from OoT.

    Actually, I take back what I said earlier. Twilight Princess will most likely use characters that will reappear in some form in TWW to tie the two together causing some kind of reverse reusability that could threaten the very time space structure of the universe!

    I agree with you, TML. I want some new characters as well.

    Aonuma stated in an interview that since Twilight Princess happens in between OoT and TWW that SOME of the characters from OoT MIGHT still be alive. This doesn’t have me worried, however, because he only said some, and that they might be alive, so they might not even use characters from Ocarina, although I think it’s likely.

    (most have already figured it out from old posts) I like Minish Cap………..

    I always enjoy chewing into new characters, and from what we’ve seen of TP so far, it looks like the new blood will have enough quirks to make fans happy. Can’t wait.

    I never really thought that they were the same characters reused, I kinda thought that they were the descendants of Malon, Ingo, Talon, Dampe e.t.c. except for Tingle who for some unknown reason seems to me immortal thus proving my theory that Tingle is a dark god from the time of chaos beofore the creation of Hyrule and is thus the true evil within Hyrule.

    I’m with you. I haven’t played many of the newer games (just Oracle, I think. I’m a bad fan), but I do appreciate the nods given to characters when they pop up again. I didn’t get a chance to play Link’s Awakening or Adventure of Link until well after I’d beaten Ocarina of Time, but I enjoyed that there were towns named after Sages (or the Sages after the towns, whichever way you’re looking at it) and Marin/Malon’s reappearance.

    That said, keeping the same characters does make things a bit stale. When personalities were given to the cast of OoT, suddenly, there were shippers for everyone and everything. That hasn’t happened in a while, and it’s just one example of what new characters can do. We all got excited, debated, went on for hours, theorized, and so on, and so forth. We’re probably STILL coming up with new ideas about how the characters relate to one another, but it’s been a while and we need more to stir up this pot we’re in.

    New characters in Twilight, please. Thanks!

    I think Capcom has been more guilty of recycling characters. The first recycled character to my memory is the old Mad Batter, back in Link’s Awakening. Great reappearance. That game introduced Marin and Tarin, the would-be predescessors for Talon and Malon. But as far as the ‘main’ series go (and I use this term lightly, so bear with me), few characters have become ‘mainstays’ in the series. I can count them on my hand. Tingle. He’s as permanent a fixture as Link, Zelda, and Ganon. He’s the fourth wheel. Besides him, who else saw reappearances in The Wind Waker? Just the Great Deku Tree, who had good reason for it.

    Now the ’side games’… Season and Ages introduced dozens of wholly unmemorable characters. But it brought back Malon, Talon,, Ingo, the Postman and a few others. Four Swords Adventures (not Capcom, but still a ’side game’) also was guilty of bringing in Malon and Talon, for however wholly insignificant their role was. Then The Minish Cap was cameo overboard. It even recycled characters from The Wind Waker. Aside from the Picori, how many unique NPCs were there? Maybe… three or four?

    So yeah, I think main console games aren’t in any trouble. Just the four main wheels and that’s it. But the portable adventures seem to be cursed by recurring characters. However, I’m optimistic about Phantom Hourglass. Given the story context of the game, I think all we’re going to see is returning Wind Waker characters who are supposed to be in the game anyways… and not as cameos.

    i would really like if Dark Link (and Vaati, in human form) came in TP.that would be so cool

    i hate malon and marin and whatever other malon-remakes they have(there both so borring to me)

    anju is kinda borring too but if kaifis in the game shes interesting

    dampé, he means theres a graveyard mission so hes fine, but hes still ugly :P

    i dont think i even have to say how i feel about tingle coming in another game, again

    the oracles are kinda fun in MC cause you can give your favorite ones houses(poor 3rd one,i always felt bad for her)

    and the last one the gerudos, i really liked there fortress in OoT but in the other games they seemed out of place

    good article TML.I agree with you completely.new characters are what make the games interesting after all.its pretty bad when you can predict what a character is going to say ( or do ) before you even talk to them,some of those are, tingle:tingle wants to be a fairy too! anju:this is horrible! my cuccos are gone! dampé:my face might be ugly but im a nice guy.you get the point.it just gets boring.TP looks like its full of new characters though so it should be interesting.

    I agree, some fresh new personalities would make the game a little more intriguing.

    A good, healthy mix of old and new characters would be great in Twilight Princess. While Malon should (but probably won’t) be left out, I’d like to see the return of Kafei to the Zeldaverse. That whole mission. . .quest. . . thing. . . was one of the deepest moments in Zelda history.

    I’d also like to see the return of Error. Just for kicks :P .

    What I can’t figure out is why everyone seems to think that TP is going to be a direct sequel/prequel to TWW. PH will be they said that and showed it, but why would they make two? TP will likely have as much to do with TWW as it will withy OoT.

    Now for the Topic related *navi*.

    I think they should new charactrs. Aside from the staples of course, i.e. Zelda, Link, Ganondorf. TP looks promising. I hope they don’t recycle anyone out of that for use in a later game, it makes them lose their speciality.

    who said TP will be a sequel to TWW? I know PH looks like TWW but not TP.

    Light Link 007 said:

    What I can’t figure out is why everyone seems to think that TP is going to be a direct sequel/prequel to TWW. PH will be they said that and showed it

    I think someone spread a rumor about TP being the direct sequel to TWW, but after a while that was cleared up as TP comes before TWW. Anyways, I with these guys, I’m tired of the OoT character recycles, it’s just getting lame, I’d like to see someone else in these games. Link and Zelda are what makes a Zelda game a Zelda game, but it wouldn’t hurt if there was some changes every now and then, plus I agree to seeing Dark Link returning, that would be cool :D

    Twilight Princess happens decades after Ocarina of Time, but a long time before TWW, so there will be some connection between them. Eiji Aonuma said it would have something to do with the Great Flood, but it is an entirely different story, not completely an entirely different story, but close to it. But, again, he said it would have something to do with it.

    I would also like to see Dark Link back, so we could have an amazing sword-fight in Twilight Princess.

    Us Ranch-shippers take what we can get. Sure it is annoying to have Malon in those cheesey roles in some games. But I have been known to try to position Link right next to Malon in OoT and wait for him to do his stretch and yawn move hoping to see him put his arm around Malon. In other words, I take what I can get and let my imagination do the rest.

    wait you forgetting somthing THE CUCU’S they appear in like almost every game and in links awaking the fishing dude appears in orcaina of time to.

    p.s.is that mario on the top pic above link and zelda in the window?

    TP already has some promising new characters! There’s Ilia(After TP comes out I’m expecting a new shipping: Link/Ilia. It’s possible), Colon, those two kids, the guy you steal the sword from, the *shudders* clowns, and most importantly Midna. I saw no old characters. Some old characters that I expect to make a reappearance is Malon(As an old lady) and Dark Link(He defiantly should be in the game). I would love to have the return of Majora! Majora is the most destructive Zelda villain, even worst than GanondorK. If you disagree I’ll tell you why Maajora is worse than Ganon!

    Majora practically did the same things as Ganon, except he didn’t kill people, therefore, Ganon is worse. Don’t use Majora trying to crash the moon into the earth, because Ganon tried to destroy the entire Zora and Gorn races, attacked Hyrule City and killed a lot of people, maybe killed the king, killed the two sages, presumably attacked Hyrule Castle again (notice the enemies in it in The Wind Waker), and it said in TWW that he returned to Hyrule in a red wrath, therefore, a lot, a lot, and a lot of people had to have been killed because only a certain few were told to go to the mountain tops, and Ganon killed a lot of people. Oh, he placed a curse on the Great Sea and destroyed an entire island, and he really didn’t do anything in TWW (minus before it) because he was looking for the Triforce pieces again, and his anger was more diminished than it was before The Wind Waker. I’m sure if Ganon had all of the Triforce pieces he would want to destroy the entire world, too. And don’t use him having them all in AL-ttP either, because it said he was staying in the Dark World because he was building up power, and waiting for the portal to become completely open, and it said he wanted to “conquer” the world (destroy it) instead of rule it. And since Aganhim is Ganon’s pawn, Ganon practically did all of the things Aganhim did. Oh, and in Four Swords Adventures, everything that Vaati did Ganon did because he was controlling Vaati. Relly, all Majora did that was serious was try to crash the moon into the earth, and if Ganon had the entire Triforce, I’m sure he’d want to destroy the world too, because of the evidence I listed. I can only wait to see what he’ll do in Twilight Princess.

    to subject: If Malon was in TP (which is possible), as an old lady, I wondre what she would look like? From the looks of things, we’ll be seeing a lot of new characters and only some old ones (most likely aged since Ocarina).

    If anything, Nintendo will try to slip something past the fans at the last second, such as Old Lady Malon has a teen daughter or something else along those lines.

    Majora was just an imp, Ganondorf is now considered at the Pawn level, so some force (being an alien being or sn undead being theoretically) more evil than he is.I’m hoping that only Dark Link makes a return, but the odds are 50/50 right now (but if there is, he’d probable have a twilight look about him :D ) for him being in the game. Another possibility are the Poe Sisters, or Twinrova. The Great Deku Tree also has a chance of appearing in TP, since there is a forest dungeon.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    The Great Deku Tree also has a chance of appearing in TP, since there is a forest dungeon.

    he kind of has to be since TP happens in between OOT and TWW and hes in both.

    ChainLink said:

    p.s.is that mario on the top pic above link and zelda in the window?

    yup,they do that alot in zelda :) .

    Master Link said:

    Oh, and in Four Swords Adventures, everything that Vaati did Ganon did because he was controlling Vaati.

    does it actually say he controlled him? I thought he just freed him.

    back to subject,I think some characters should come back in TP,just not the over abused ones ;) .

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Malon reused in TP, but ONLY in a form like this: An older, widowed ranch-hand that tends to the horses in Link’s village (and possibly be like Link’s grandmother or great aunt, as long as this Link has NO blood relation whatsoever with OoT Link. At this point of the Timeline, OoT Link should be either dead or settled in Termina).

    Well, yes GLE, you are correct in a sense. Ganon was using Vaati to do his work, not necessarily controlling him, but using him to do it so that he wouldn’t have to.

    to Kojinka: I don’t like the idea of Link being settled in Termina (from Ocarina), because I believe in the reincarnation theory, and that would explain why (in The Wind Waker) Ganon said that Link was the Hero of Time reborn. I just don’t like the idea of Ocarina of Time Link still being alive.

    to subject: Wouldn’t it be funny if the Kokiri were half Kokiri and half Korok in TP? Even though it’s doubtful. I think their evolution started when the Great Flood was about to begin or something like that, but it’s possible.

    I doubt Malon would live in the village that Link lives in, since it’s out of Hyrule, and Malon would be the owner of the ranch. She might still be living, but I doubt she’ll be anywhere near Link in the beginning of the game, and would stay there, to prepare for this from a greater evil.

    Master Link said:

    Well, yes GLE, you are correct in a sense. Ganon was using Vaati to do his work, not necessarily controlling him, but using him to do it so that he wouldn’t have to.

    ohh okay.I couldnt remember :) .

    Zelda is losing its luster… but ever so slightly. We all still love it. I mean, the old Legend of Zelda NES was the best of the best out of the entire games (in my opinion). And, uh, Master Link…

    Master Link said:

    to subject: Wouldn’t it be funny if the Kokiri were half Kokiri and half Korok in TP? Even though it’s doubtful. I think their evolution started when the Great Flood was about to begin or something like that, but it’s possible.

    Probably not.

    the_master_swordsman said:

    Zelda is losing its luster… but ever so slightly. We all still love it. I mean, the old Legend of Zelda NES was the best of the best out of the entire games (in my opinion). And, uh, Master Link…

    I think the original zelda sucked crap compared to the others. Except for the FS ones. It had no plot really, it was kind of boring. Zelda only loses its luster to we who have played nearly every or evrey single one ever made. Those twelve year old newbs (not in a demening way) who started with TWW find the series fresh and fine. It’s just that nintendo is running out of creativity at only a slightly slower rate than Disney did after Mike Eisner took over.
    In nintendos defense though, its hard to create original characters, trust me I’ve tried and failed many times.

    I say that we kill Malon and bring back Marin and Fierce Deity and Shahashralla (sp?)(and someone tell me how to find Error!)and the whole lot of GOOD characters! Malon must die! ROAR! TO ARMS! *storms off with torches towards Lon Lon Ranch*

    to MasterSwordsman:

    I know, I was just spouting off ideas.
    to subject:

    In future Zelda games I think they will feel fresh and new because of the Wii controller, and Link will be able to interact differently. I just hope Nintendo can come up with some new, awesome characters, and from the looks of things in Twilight Princess, it seems like they’re doing that. (Yes, I know that’s been said over and over again.)

    I think that the major offender for reused characters are the capcom games. I think the only Nintendo game that has been a major offender of reusing characters is MM, and that is because Nintendo wanted to reuse the models to get it out faster. In-game, the alternate universe story makes the reuse of characters acceptable to me.

    Frankly, I don’t want to see the reuse of any characters besides the “main three” in TP. If the game is still taking place post OoT, then it would be nice to hear a couple allusions to OoT characters from TP NPCs, but I would hope that TP takes place long enough after OoT that we don’t have to actually see any of the OoT NPCs. I suppose supernatuaral beings like the Great Deku Tree would be alright by me.

    Nintendo worked with Capcom to make them, it wasn’t solely Capcom working on them.

    I agree with the fact the NPC are over used (and yet still under developed), but I always thought of them as descendants. Also, Malon double play is nothing compared to Ingo’s triple play in Majora. Tingle being, as someone above mentioned, immortal (notice Tingle’s watch is stuck at 4…maybe time hasn’t effected Tingle and this is his weakness, hahaha). As for reusing characters I don’t mind, just give them a purpose or something. And I agree Error sould make an appearance. The only thing that disappoints me is that the series is breaking canon a little bit, by making this game less than a century between Oot and WW.
    As for Minish Cap, I like to see the recycle, because of its art style (which worked better in MC than WW). Oh well, I’m just ramblin.

    Musica said:

    I say that we kill Malon and bring back Marin and Fierce Deity and Shahashralla (sp?)(and someone tell me how to find Error!)and the whole lot of GOOD characters! Malon must die! ROAR! TO ARMS! *storms off with torches towards Lon Lon Ranch*

    Oh boy -_-’ I like those SOME of those ideas actually :D Some people seem to be more welcome than others in reuse, others aren’t, one sees it ok because of the game’s graphics, some that have not been reused at all are wanted to be reused, I’m confused :?

    Oh yeah,and also check out this web: www.hyrulianguardian.blogspot.com !

    you say malon was just thrown into majora but tymarria was a mirror world to hyrule so a lot of the characters were the same as the characters in Oot but other than that she is used a lot.

    I think they should bring back the old men in caves in TP. That would be cool, having a bunch of old fogy hermits in caves and holes telling you where to go.

    Golden Angel said:

    you say malon was just thrown into majora but tymarria was a mirror world to hyrule so a lot of the characters were the same as the characters in Oot but other than that she is used a lot.

    Do you mean Termina? It seems like they used the “Termina is an alternate plain of existence” excuse for reusing these characters. I can also explain how Tingle was in a lot of the games (not Masa’s TToTT ) Tingle is a spacetime continuum jumper, and goes from time to time from his own dimension to Link’s, making a big buck rupee off of Link’s ancestors.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    Golden Angel said:

    you say malon was just thrown into majora but tymarria was a mirror world to hyrule so a lot of the characters were the same as the characters in Oot but other than that she is used a lot.

    Do you mean Termina? It seems like they used the “Termina is an alternate plain of existence” excuse for reusing these characters. I can also explain how Tingle was in a lot of the games (not Masa’s TToTT ) Tingle is a spacetime continuum jumper, and goes from time to time from his own dimension to Link’s, making a big buck rupee off of Link’s ancestors.

    AHAH. Tinglr IS EVIL. Now we have the proof!!!!!

    Why is Twilight Princess breaking canon a bit? It happens “decades” after Ocarina of Time, so it could be a century. Besides, it took a long time for Ganon to break out of the seal, so Hyrule would have a time of piece, and setting Twilight Princess “decades” after is a good placement.

    If you look at the cast of TP so far, do you see any oldies in there?! No Malon, no Tingle (YAY!!!) no Ingo…
    Happy now?

    shadowknight said:

    If you look at the cast of TP so far, do you see any oldies in there?! No Malon, no Tingle (YAY!!!) no Ingo…
    Happy now?

    So far we havent seen much of the game so i wouldnt start celebrating yet, lol.

    shadowknight said:

    If you look at the cast of TP so far, do you see any oldies in there?! No Malon, no Tingle (YAY!!!) no Ingo…
    Happy now?

    Robert-UK said:

    So far we havent seen much of the game so i wouldnt start celebrating yet, lol.

    I’m gonna press my luck by saying this, YAY! As long as Tingle stays out of my way (should he be in anymore games) I’ll be happy, and not fuss about him.

    it would be kind of cool if they made kafie come in his adult form.I mean,anju comes enough.

    Who the *navi* *navi* decides what’s cannon anyway? If TP was set just 4 decades after most people would be dead. The average life-span of a Middle-ages man was middle-aged, ’bout 40 - 50. Also who said the games have to be in a timeline?

    Light Link 007 said:

    Who the *navi* *navi* decides what’s cannon anyway? If TP was set just 4 decades after most people would be dead. The average life-span of a Middle-ages man was middle-aged, ’bout 40 - 50. Also who said the games have to be in a timeline?

    AHHHH I hate navie shes always complaining about somthing like “link open the door,link jump across,hey,hey,hey”God I will be glad if she’s not in there shes worse than Tingle *grabs a bug zapper* now say HEY.

    Miyamoto said there was a timeline at Super Play 2003. He said there was actually a large documentary on how all of the games connect. I think all of the games (minus the CDI games) are cannon. Also, Hylians are a different race, so we really don’t know how long they live (average). From the looks of the old men, they seem pretty old.

    to subject: I think they should bring Sahasrala back, and Aghina.

    ChainLink said:

    Light Link 007 said:

    Who the *navi* *navi* decides what’s cannon anyway? If TP was set just 4 decades after most people would be dead. The average life-span of a Middle-ages man was middle-aged, ’bout 40 - 50. Also who said the games have to be in a timeline?

    AHHHH I hate navie shes always complaining about somthing like “link open the door,link jump across,hey,hey,hey”God I will be glad if she’s not in there shes worse than Tingle *grabs a bug zapper* now say HEY.

    It appears that Navi returns in Phantom Hourglass on the DS so we have many hours of being moaned it and having every obvious little thing repeated to us again and again and again and again, so we have fun times ahead, lol.

    I also think that they shouldn’t be reusing characters like that. But, one might think it normal for them to be their descendants.

    And, the thing about Tingle’s immortality, it could be that he couldn’t finish his task, and entrusted it to his children……maybe……

    But (I know this goes against all rules of speech) I’d like the new Link to meet the old one (from Ocarina) as an old man (If TP is only some decades later).

    And Dark Link would be really, really, really cool in this one. And Vaati in those graphics……coooool…..

    ChainLink said:

    Light Link 007 said:

    Who the *navi* *navi* decides what’s cannon anyway? If TP was set just 4 decades after most people would be dead. The average life-span of a Middle-ages man was middle-aged, ’bout 40 - 50. Also who said the games have to be in a timeline?

    AHHHH I hate navie shes always complaining about somthing like “link open the door,link jump across,hey,hey,hey”God I will be glad if she’s not in there shes worse than Tingle *grabs a bug zapper* now say HEY.

    Thre appears to be some confusion here. Chain Link I’m guessing your new. Ya know on TV when people swear and cuss and the beep it out? Well on ZeldaBlog we use *navi* sensoring instead of *beep* sensoring. I wasn’t slamming Navi at that time though I and most everyone else has. I guess we could use *tatl* sensoring too. Why don’t we?

    Also they should never bring Navi back. Unfortunately it looks like they somehow will in PH. The King of Red Lions was worse though. I hope they never make another “helper” who can keep you from exploring.

    He never kept you from exploring. He just helps you remember what your supposed to do. And that fairy in PH is not Navi, it’s white, Navi is blue, it just has Navi’s voice.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    He never kept you from exploring. He just helps you remember what your supposed to do. And that fairy in PH is not Navi, it’s white, Navi is blue, it just has Navi’s voice.

    Early in the game, for the first few dungeons he keps you from going into the greater part of the great sea. Play it again and you’ll see that he thinks its too dangerous.

    Don’t worry Light Link 007, in Phantom Hourglass you’ll get to go out there.

    to subject:

    I think they should bring the running man back as an old man so we can finally beat him in a race. “Hey kid, you wanna race? You look just like a person I raced LONG ago. I’m about 120 though, so go easy on me.” When you beat him: “Waaaaaaaahaaahaaahaaa! You beat me?! I’ve never lost to people even with a game shark. “Navi” you are good. As a token of my gratitude””””’ I will give you Tingle and a little fairy named Navi as sidekicks to help you out of the Twilight Realm on your quest. What? Don’t you want them? Oh, don’t worry, they’re not annoying.” Link sees Tingle and Navi come out of a cave, and Link is forced to keep them.

    If thats the case then maybe they should make the running man stuck in a time loop that slowly reverses his age so he’ll be a lithe and limber young teenager full of caffeine and fast enough to take on anyone. That way Navi and Tingle can stay out of the game. Now the people they need to bring back are the Subrosians. I’v always wanted to them in 3D.

    Light Link 007 said:

    The King of Red Lions was worse though. I hope they never make another “helper” who can keep you from exploring.

    if I recall correctly,there are things that wouldnt make sence in the game if you went to early.if it makes you fell better you can hit him ^_^ (I do it all the time…especially when he yawns :) ).

    to subject:I think the minish are going to be in PH.just because in MC,when your reading the glass,the link in the picture has the same shield as TWW link (the only other link who has it is the MC link).its just a guess though.oh ya,and I hope Vaati and dark link are both in TP :P .

    Vaati is one of those characters that should never come back. He brings memories of bad art styles. Dark Link would be cool though. He was like the only good duelist in any of the games. And in his defense, he wasn’t abused in FSA, that was Shadow Link, he could multiply, Dark Link was so cool and tough that one of him was enough. All the shadow links got Link-Whopped worse than the one Dark Link.

    Light Link 007 said:

    Vaati is one of those characters that should never come back. He brings memories of bad art styles.

    what do you mean? his MC art style?

    They got a link-whoppin’, LL007, not Link-Whopped. Get it right or feel the sting of a thousand light arrows. :D
    And I agree with you whole heartedly, TML. Although It was a bit nostalgic to see some of the old characters again, I really do hope that they come up with some new characters for us. Judging by some of the trailers, though, I dont think that’ll be a problem. I dont think I’ve seen one familiar face besides links. Zelda even looks a bit different.
    Hopwever, I am hoping that a few characters willl return. I’m hoping to see the kokiri again (and Saria with the Hero of Time. ;) Go Forestshippers, w00t! *shot*) and maybe learn what happened to some of the OoT characters. That kind of thing I’m OK with, because its really the same character, not another reincarnation of Malon. XD

    Sage said:

    And I agree with you whole heartedly, TML. Although It was a bit nostalgic to see some of the old characters again, I really do hope that they come up with some new characters for us. Judging by some of the trailers, though, I dont think that’ll be a problem. I dont think I’ve seen one familiar face besides links. Zelda even looks a bit different.
    Hopwever, I am hoping that a few characters willl return. I’m hoping to see the kokiri again (and Saria with the Hero of Time. ;) Go Forestshippers, w00t! *shot*) and maybe learn what happened to some of the OoT characters. That kind of thing I’m OK with, because its really the same character, not another reincarnation of Malon. XD

    I actually agree. An older version of a character actually isn’t bad, since they should be like the younger version, only older. I’m thinking Saria will still be a little girl, though. Speaking of recurring characters, does anyone remember that old guy in Hyrule Castle Town (OoT) when Link was a kid, he tells you about the Great Fairy Fountain near the castle, he reminds me of The Old man of LoZ, just more decorated.

    dude the running man and how he ages mayby he was the same guy in link to the past the boy that runs away from you that can be him

    Light Link 007 said:

    Vaati is one of those characters that should never come back. He brings memories of bad art styles.

    well he wouldnt look the same :P .besides I dont see whats wrong with his previous art.

    I’m wondering what the characters from LA and the Oracles would look like in TP mode. Can anyone think of that?

    Not on your life would I attend a family reunion ;)

    I’ve seen 3D versions of Marin(As a SSBM trophy) and Vaati’s face(Some guy at Ganon’s Tower created it). I can’t wait to get Twilight Princess!(I even pre-ordered it)

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    I’m wondering what the characters from LA and the Oracles would look like in TP mode. Can anyone think of that?

    I dont know.every time I try to picture what something would look like in a different form im always off :( .

    Yeah its hard to think in different art styles. Especially between anime and other things.

    I know some games that can be played at a REAL Zelda Family Reunion (((warning: do not flame me for humorous uses of your favorite characters who are evil or misunderstood, thankyou)))
    There would be Tingle Pinata, Pin the tail on Ganon, Bobbing for Majora’s Mask, Navi Ball (like baseball, only played with Home-Run Bats), Hide and Seek Onox, Veran Tag, Epona Rides, Kaepora Gaebora Twister, and King of Red Lions Racing. I can’t think of anything for the Nightmares, I need a little help with that (none from you, Robert)

    yess Red Lions racing is it ok if I kinda sink it lol your forgetting my favorite game wack-a-Mido

    unbelievably, I just returned from a large family reunion… in more relevant news I agree that new characters should come forth unto the next legend that is zelda.

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