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Can You Feel the Love Tonight?

July 26th, 2006 at 12:46 am by The Missing Link

I have a theory. Feel free to debate and discuss this in the comments section.

My speculation: Nintendo will not (and should not) actually hook up Link with anyone in Twilight Princess.

Now, let me confess to you all that, yes, I am a shipper of sorts. I have always been a huge fanatic within the sageshipper crowd (that’s Link/Zelda for all of you not in the know) since my step into the Zelda fandom (which happened a long tim ago in a galaxy far, far away…). Since then, I’ve come to terms with nearly every other possible shipping pair their is (except for the ones that Masamune probably came up with); yes, I can even accept the validity of such “abominations” as Link/Ruto. However, I hear the warning bells alerting me that I am starting to go off-topic, so let me steer this train back to the crux of this article.

Nintendo, in recent games, has tried to spend a lot of its time these days creating oodles and oodles of plot for its Zelda titles. I mean, if you look at the general progression of the primary console Zelda games, you always seem to be getting more and more useful information per game with each successive game. In The Legend of Zelda, people spoke to you in broken Engrish; Link to the Past basically used text as a plot device to shove you towards Ganondorf;Ocarina of Time actually bothered to create a brief history of the world of Hyrule, while Wind Waker created rich backstory for its characters that would rival those of a few lesser-known superheroes and villans.

“But TML, that’s what you’ve said was great about video games! They’re just like novels! And novels have romance in them all the time! That’s all the better reason to have it in a Zelda game, right?”

Well… yes and no. (I bet you never tire of me saying that, don’t you?) Sure, those of you who are responding predictably to my theory are absolutely correct, but allow me the small indulgence (though I guess you really don’t have a choice in the matter… unless you stop reading now, but you guys are nice enough not to do that, right?) of relating to you my experiences from another game… a game which included a relationship between the protagonist and a certain someone else in the game. That game (dare I say it?) is Final Fantasy VIII.

The first half of FF8 made the game look as if it was going to be something that I would always look back upon fondly. Sure, it was more clichéd than a cucumber is cool, but even I have to admit that the beginning was fairly rock solid. Sure, an absolutely atrocious “plot twist” (plot destruction is probably more apropos to this) takes over in the beginning of Disc 4 when time gets compressed (whatever that means), but the beginning was still good.

Yet that wasn’t the thing that really stuck out in my mind; the thing I absolutely hated about the game was that Squall falls for, out of all the girls flinging themselves at him in the game, Rinoa. On what planet to those two even possibly make sense? Alright, alright, some people probably will take offense to that, but I just do not get them. At all. I’m sure someone finds the idea perfectly agreeable, but, as for me, I always believed that Squall and Quistis made such a better match than the pair that was forced upon us players. Every time someone ever made mention of the fact that it was Squall and Rinoa forever, I just wanted to toss my cookies to the floor. (Perfectly good waste of six white chocolate chip macademia nut cookies… grr…)

Ahem. Anyways…

Even though games are becoming more novelesque as the days and years pass by, I do believe that there is some risk involved in having the game developers make such important plot choices for us, the gamers. Though our perception of the protagonist (and all characters, for that matter) is driven by his or her actions and lines of dialogue (and occasionally thought), there is still a lot of characterisation work that is done within our own minds. I feel fairly safe to say that, when gamers play games, they make assumptions about characters beyond the scope that mere words and voice acting can convey about them. Video games are, unlike movies and novels, interactive; the fine line between reality and fantasy, at least for me, becomes very fuzzy the moment I set foot into any RPG.

This goes doubly so for Link since Nintendo doesn’t let him speak; gamers fill in Link’s lines of dialogue within their own head, coming up with their own image of who Link is and how he acts. By the time such a romance would come along in the game… our perception of Link’s character will already be formed, and our notion of the character could very well be shattered by Link’s sudden(!) change of heart for character X, a decision that we very well would not have made for Link. Such a shattering of plot could very well ruin the experience for a good number of gamers since the plot since plot is liable to be one of the biggest projected components of Twilight.

Yet is having Link remain purely celibate a proper alternative? Let’s face it, he’s a young adult… a teenager. Nearly every single one of you reading this will know what it’s like being that age. Yeah, you know what I mean. Hero or not, he’s human Hylian, and I doubt he’s a eunich either. No more needs to be said.

The only way I truly thing this aspect can be properly brought into a Zelda game is if the player gets a lot more control over the fate of our beloved hero’s future. I’m talking about something like Harvest Moon, where you, the lovely and talented player, get to choose your spouse-to-be. Sure, this definitely tilts the game’s genre away from RPG and more towards a love simulation (certain someones would be happy about that!), but I think this also is (a) more realistic given our extended insight into Link and (b) a much safer way to make sure that all the players of Twilight Princess will enjoy the game.

Because, let’s face it, I could very well be wrong. After all, not all of you would jump at the chance to date a certain princess. Even if she were real.

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    Harvest Moon is not the only game to allow the player to choose their love interest. The Psx Star Ocean had dozens of different endings with nearly as many different pairings and those would come about through the way you had your character act. I was about to say that I agree with you and say that I wouldn’t want the creators of a game to set down one love interest for Link in a game, but then I remembered one of my favorite Zelda games. Link’s Awakening, okay so there is some weird stuff going in the game but there is little doubt to the meaning of “You got Marin, is this your big chance?” *wink wink nudge nudge*. So yeah I would like a Zelda game with an element of similar to that of Harvest Moon or Star Ocean, but if the creators want to make Link fall in love with someone in the game then I will trust them to make it work. And if all else fails I will make up my own timeline theory and forever stay a Ranchshipper in regards to OoT.

    Well, TML, I always put Link with Zelda, so if they put him with her in Twilight Princess, I would be very happy.

    I do hope that they never put Link with someone in a game, however, because then all of the people that put him with Malon would be angry, and some peorples’ view of Link would be ruined. You do have a point there. However, I don’t want them to let you choose who you end up with in the game, that’s just not Zelda like. You can choose in fanfics, your mind etc. But, I do agree with you.

    Squall and Quistis? Wow, now that’s a weird opinion… well unless the ideea of sleeping with your teacher turns you on… which is creepy BTW. Even if your teacher is barely 18. Really.

    Let’s suppose for a minute that Link falls in love. Being in love means being dependant of somebody’s presence. And in a Zelda game, it would either be to save her (which Link would do anyway since he’s a hero) or being stuck with a girl character for the rest of the game just like Navi, Tael or maybe Midna. In either case, it wouldn’t change anything at all in terms of gameplay, only on the story side. More on that later.

    As for the liberty of dating… ummm… unless Nintendo decides to do a 18+ game by adding some “Hot Coffee” thingie (and we all know they won’t), it would do the same thing as in Harvest Moon: another boring sim! (Accept it: Harvest Moon is boring!)

    Finally, I think we shouldn’t forget something important: does Link should have descendants? Well I think so because it would add a bigger depth to the storyline. Well in fact I think it wouldn’t be surprising that The Wind Waker’s Link is in fact one of Ocarina of Time’s Link’s descendants. But for that, he must fall in love with somebody! Hmm hmm…

    Conclusion: I completely disagree with TML on this. Of course, it shouldn’t be something that blocks the game, but actually improve the whole franchise.

    I don’t want them to get together if future games have them still together. If they get together (Link, and Zelda I mean) I’d like them to stay together only in this game, and have a completely new game the next time around. I don’t want Link to suddenly have kids with Zelda, and then have to submit to Ganon, because his family’s held hostage. That would be SO lame. I want the typical Zelda formula, not a love fest.

    Link shouldn’t be with anyone. As TML said, we “create” the character of Link. For instance, my Link is somewhat sarcastic, slightly morbid person, but still (generally) does the right thing. And he would be paired with Zelda. But someone else’s Link might have a heart of gold and be paired with Malon. That’s what is so great about these games. It let’s you imagine who this funny guy in tights really is. You could do this with almost every character in the series, just not as well. On the shipping note, my favorite is Dark LinkxRuto or Dark LinkxMalon.

    So yeah I would like a Zelda game with an element of similar to that of Harvest Moon or Star Ocean, but if the creators want to make Link fall in love with someone in the game then I will trust them to make it work.

    I honestly don’t think Ninty could make it work. I don’t know why, I just don’t trust them with a romance in Zelda, especially if it were between Link and Zelda (which is highly likely). It would be cutscene after cutscene of long, meaningful gazes and cheesy music that makes you jump up and go “oh, I didn’t know I opened a treasure chest!”.

    “Your pure and innocent love has defeated Ganon!”

    “I fear she is dying, she needs your love to survive.”

    “Only a kiss from the one she loves will awaken her from the curse.”

    “Don’t deny the true feelings in your heart!”

    Ugh. That’s exactly what I expect from them. Honestly, if they did that to poor Link, I’d have to reconsider buying the next Zelda game. I don’t want to spend the game dreading the next scene with Zelda in it and rolling my eyes at the sheer corniness we all know it would be. I like my LoZ just the way it is. ;D

    Oh, if you must know, I’m partial to Link X Shiek. Doesn’t mean I want to subject every other Zelda fan to it though.

    Yet is having Link remain purely celibate a proper alternative? Let’s face it, he’s a young adult… a teenager. Nearly every single one of you reading this will know what it’s like being that age. Yeah, you know what I mean. Hero or not, he’s human Hylian, and I doubt he’s a eunich either. No more needs to be said.

    Don’t even go there TML, that’s how things like Hot Coffee come about. I like to think of Link as a sweetie, not some hornbag teen! Don’t ruin that for me! xDDD

    I agree with your FVIII view though. Crappest. Romance. Ever!

    I understand what you guys are saying but there is no way link and Zelda could ever marry. Link and tetra could but link and Zelda cant. This is because If link and Zelda marry in any previous time before windwaker which is twilight princess then in windwaker link would be royality to hyrule and we would need a whole new charector. Thus ending the Zelda series. It has to be someone other than Zelda. And it has to be human which rules out Ruto. It would make since if Malon and Link married though then link would still be link on outset island. Plus I never saw any connection between the charectors in ocarina of time. Except they were goos friends.

    I have get a few pairings for Link (excpet for Link/Ruto, ewww).

    Getting to the point of the topic, I think the Zelda series has some room to get more mature, but still be for kids. If they had a system like Harvest Moon where you can choose who Link ends up with, that would be neat. I just wouldn’t have Link fall in love with Princess Zelda. That’s a bit cliche. Actually, I wouldn’t put Link with any one in the game. I would create some random country girl and have Link fall in love with her. It’s amazing how many people I come across in the community who hadn’t thought of that.

    I think Nintendo has done this a long time ago when in OoT, Link could’ve had a harem with all the girls in there, which is probably why people had made these Shipper Wars. Hey, DC has to make an ASSA on that one :D

    NebThauDragmire said:

    On the shipping note, my favorite is Dark LinkxRuto or Dark LinkxMalon.

    Huh, interesting, just as interesting as the GanondorfxMalon Pairings of [Lord and] Ladybird, on the list on the front page. Love, as I see it, is a complicated thing, and Link is surely not the type to do love. If you look at his adventures, there are a few games when he’s mature enough to do so, since most games pit him as a child, and he has to save the Princess and stop Ganon, and he’s always on adventures, he’s just not the kind of person that will suddenly settle down and have a family. Link hving families will only happen on the LAST Zelda to be ever made (which will probably happen 10,000 years from now ;) should Twilight Princess ever come out :D ) or another Spinoff, called “Zelda: Extreme Hylian Dating!”

    honestly, i feel that link isnt sopposed to fall in love w/ anyone. though it would make him seem more human and thus easy to relate to, and it would make the player more aware of the fact that (like almost every zelda game) link is always maturing from the beginning to the end of the game. but perhaps that isnt the way the games are meant to be. i do agree with the first comment that perhaps a Star-Ocean-esque approach might be the best way to go (and it would add to the replay value of TLoZ:TP) but i think that shoving characters in the spotlight so that link might decide to “hook up” with one of them might be a little distasteful and cliche, especially for a game that is about courage, heroism, and standing up to overwhelming challenges (unless those challenges are on the Great Sea of course lol). the closest thing to a relationship i could imagine in a zelda game is a little “wink wink nudge nudge” flirting (ex: Zelda gives Link an item and says “I was thinking about you, Link, so I bought this item for you. Here.” and then she smiles) or possibly a single quick kiss on the cheek or maybe the lips (ex: after Zelda has been saved from Ganon for the umpteenth time, she begins thanking Link and reaches over to give him a short-but-sweet closed-mouth smooch on the lips or cheek, then they go home). there are few other ways to do it without actually making link go out with someone, which would take away from the plot of the game IMO.

    Yes well it depends on what play-through for me. Sometimes my link is a goody-two-shoes annd some times he’s a bad-*navi* doing it for himself hero. But Ruto, yuck, she’s a fish. That’s, like, worse than Medli, which, than the Triforce, we know couldn’t happen because link sailed away and Medli locked herself in a temple.

    Personally I think they could hint maybe but not go all the way and have them get married or anything. That would be kinda un-zelda-like. Besides if Link marries Zelda in every game then they would be pretty close to brother and sister in some cases likely cousins. That’s just gross. Unless your a red-neck then it might be o.k. with you, but for the rest of the self-respecting world…

    SmashManiac said:

    Squall and Quistis? Wow, now that’s a weird opinion… well unless the ideea of sleeping with your teacher turns you on… which is creepy BTW. Even if your teacher is barely 18. Really.

    Everything aside, no, that wasn’t my rationale. ;) Squall and Quistis… had a basic understanding of each other. Quistis knew how Squall worked, and Squall knew how Quistis worked. In short, they had a fast friendship that, yes, surpassed the teacher/student relationship (which was completely silly given their nonexistant age differential) that truly became their “theme” together. But that’s neither here nor there.

    As for the liberty of dating… ummm… unless Nintendo decides to do a 18+ game by adding some “Hot Coffee” thingie (and we all know they won’t), it would do the same thing as in Harvest Moon: another boring sim! (Accept it: Harvest Moon is boring!)

    No, no. Not an 18+ thing. At the best, it would be something on the order of a sidequest thing, maybe having zero effect on the gameplay save for the ending or, as in the case of Tales of Symphonia just replaces the character you choose (or a default character if you don’t) into certain situations near the endgame.

    chubes said:

    I don’t want them to get together if future games have them still together.

    I absolutely agree with this one. And this is why I believe the Harvest Moon strategy is so attractive; Nintendo can’t possibly take that into account when you’re playing the next Zelda title. (That is, unless they read your memory save and ask you if you want to load it, but then that requires multiple introductions, and… yeah… I doubt they would.)

    Light Link 007 said:

    But Ruto, yuck, she’s a fish. That’s, like, worse than Medli, which, than the Triforce, we know couldn’t happen because link sailed away and Medli locked herself in a temple.

    I’m not saying that they’re my first choice, now. ;) However, I have watched shippers of various types argue cases, and… let’s just say that I have seen a very good argument for fishshipping made, and so I possibly cannot condemn them for that.

    I don’t mind too many of the Link and so and so love thingys. They don’t bother me much, except for two. Now, Link and Ruto…I can see where you’re going…but interspeicies relations? Ewww. and the one I absolutely hate is Lnik and Malon (hiss!). Malon is jsut a Marin wanna be, and Marin was actually made to resemble Zelda a bit, there fore Malon is just a carbon copy of Zelda with red hair, horses, and no personality. So, whatever they do in Twilight Princess, I’m finde with as long as it’s NOT one of those two. (Heck, I’m even fine with some of the yaoi pairings, people, just not fish woman and carbon copy lady!)
    (And, on a side note…I think I’m the only persons whose been pairing carachetrs from different zelda games with eachother…yeah… so far my favorite is Oni Link and Marin. Why? Because I can.)

    Okay, I’m not sure how many people here are Harry Potter fans, but if you are, maybe you’ll remember when Half-Blood Prince came out and people were FREAKING OUT over Ron and Hermione getting together. This is the exact same thing that would happen to Zelda fans the world over. People who were shipping for the winning couple would prance around being all giddy and calling everyone else delusional, and those who were wrong would end up swearing off the series forever. I personally think there’s no reason to even bring romance into the game at all, but if they do, it should be something along the lines of Tales of Symphonia, where your actions and responses to certain situations determine who Link ends up with. That’s my opinion.

    I have to agree that there should be no pairing of any characters with Link or Zelda for that matter. It the ambiguity of relationships in the series that makes the story play out so well. We don’t know if Link and Zelda are in love. If they are, that love is never satisfy. This unsatisfaction is what makes the game work so well for me, a romantic hero and heroine. Nintendo should stay away from common hero + victim motifs. Of course Link is rooted from the classic hero story, but this is what makes the series unique in that the conclusion has yet to be written.

    Personally, in my mind…only Zelda can equal to Link’s power and charisma. Anyone else is just falling in love with Link’s good looks and status. Which doesn’t work for me.

    To address the timeline issues to avoid incest. Zelda and Link do not have any children because well, they’re too busy saving each other or out adventuring. So what you see in the series are reincarnations of two longing spirits.

    If Link married Zelda, he wouldn’t necessarily have to have kids with her or settle down and have a family. I’m sure Zelda would understand him (at least, in my mind) and let him adventure every once in a while. We don’t even know if Link likes adventuring, he has no choice, he has to, but we don’t know if he likes it. He might not, and then he could settle down with Zelda.

    Link could still love Zelda and not be able to marry her, or something. And, besides, Tetra is actually Zelda, so if Link married Tetra, he would be marrying Zelda any way. Yes, Tetra is royalty, but that doesn’t have to make Link royal. There are many different ways that could work out.

    The fact that you could pick the girl of your dreams for yourelf was one of the things I liked about “Harvest Moon”, I always picked the cute girl who lived on the neighbouring farm, lol. I have to say that I would love to see this brought into a future Zelda game, just think of the possibilites-

    For the Hardcore fans there could be no better choice than Link and Zelda, the game could end with Link marrying Zelda and becoming King oh Hyrule, the previous King having been murdered by Ganondorf or Vaati.

    For those who just cant resist the charms of the local Ranch girl you could pick Malon (im talking about the grown up Malon you perverts, lol) and the game could end with Link marrying Malon, living on the ranch and raising cows and horses… but not cuccus for obvious reasons.

    Some people will always be fond of Saria and maybe if a Kokiri leaves the Forest they dont just die, maybe they begin to age like other Hyilians and eventuall die of old age so Link and Saria could have a good, natural life together before sucoming to old age.

    Theres also Zelda’s attendant Impa, now I know what you are going to say that Impa is too old for him but… these relationships can often work, lol.

    Now many of you may have a thing for Nabouru the leader of the Gerudo Theives and this could be a good choice for those who cant resist the noble warriors charms, she could be the best match for Link as they are both battle hardened warriors.

    Now we come to a choice that many people may have a problem with… except for me hahaha, Princess Ruto of the Zoras. Now I know what you are thinking, bossy fish girl and Link… its just not right, but hold on a moment and take another look at this exotic creature and just imagine the kind of offspring she and Link could have, lol.

    Now last of all we come to a trule scary possibilty… Link and Tingle, now before you all start running for the hills in sheer terror let me just say this, how do you know that Link dosent like… the other team, he never has a girlfriend in the previous games and he dose seem to spend quite a lot of time around the spandex wearing freak, lol.

    Robert-UK said:

    Theres also Zelda’s attendant Impa, now I know what you are going to say that Impa is too old for him but… these relationships can often work, lol.

    Yeah they usually end up with people running to Mexico to get married and some one ending up in jail for kidnapping

    Robert-UK said:
    Now last of all we come to a trule scary possibilty… Link and Tingle, now before you all start running for the hills in sheer terror let me just say this, how do you know that Link dosent like… the other team, he never has a girlfriend in the previous games and he dose seem to spend quite a lot of time around the spandex wearing freak, lol.

    If nintendo ever puts gays into a running franchise then I will go to the Dark-Side and buy an Xbox 360.

    ahhhhh,nothing like not knowing what the heck anyones talking about ;) .if link ever has the option to marry,I would prefer that the player has a say in what happens.like in fire emblem,if you get a level A support (thats 3 supports) with certain people there endings change.and not that im a supporter of ruto/link or anything (im more of a impa/link person……just kidding),but I dont see it impossible for them to get married since shes not REALLY a fish (just a fish-like race :P ).and if they were to have a kid it (yes it) could turn out all hylian (or all zora).also ide hope they dont have a kid in the game,getting married,or even engaged,would do nicely.oh and musica,if you like marin so much why dont you like malon? like you said shes a copy of her only malons real (I think O_o ).also who the wanna-be is depends on your timeline of choice,ive never really sat down to think about mine in full (ok I did,but I hurt my head trying :( ) but I always place OOT first,thus making marin a dream of links.but thats just my theory.

    You know you wouldn’t do that, you love Zelda too much.

    Robert-Uk, how could you even say that!? I still think that Link would end up with Zelda.

    umm first weird article…uhh Link should NEVER get a girlfriend or a wife cause that would be so lame. it would ruin the game. theres no one who link fits with..i mean in fire emblem:Eliwood/Ninian, Ephriam/Tana, Roy/Lilina even Hector/Lyn but Link with someone, no, uhh just no…

    Master Link said:

    You know you wouldn’t do that, you love Zelda too much.

    Robert-Uk, how could you even say that!? I still think that Link would end up with Zelda.

    Oh but I would. I hate gays more than I love Zelda. Also, Robert, that was just gross.
    I like the Link-Malon thing. Or possibly the Link-Saria thing but she never grows up so thats not gonna work. I mean who would want to be married to a ten year old their whole life.

    Master Link said:

    Well, TML, I always put Link with Zelda, so if they put him with her in Twilight Princess, I would be very happy.

    *nods in agreement*

    And if Link was to match up with someone else, I’d chuck all my Nintendo consoles down the bottom of the well out the window (I would however accept the Link/Saria pairing, although I see them more as just friends).

    If Link married Zelda, he wouldn’t necessarily have to have kids with her or settle down and have a family. I’m sure Zelda would understand him (at least, in my mind) and let him adventure every once in a while. We don’t even know if Link likes adventuring, he has no choice, he has to, but we don’t know if he likes it. He might not, and then he could settle down with Zelda.

    This is true, and that is actually how I’d see their relationship if they were to get together (yeah, yeah, yeah!).

    But personally, I’d prefer it if Link did not get with anyone. It, though not completely, wrecks some of the imagination of the gamer, and limits the creativity and fun of trying to find the perfect fit for him. That’s what makes Zelda so great - it allows gamers to fill in the blanks, use their imaginations and make something of their choice, with little to no material to build with. It forces them to think and create, whether it be Link’s dialogue or his love life, and that’s what Nintendo intended from the beginning. Giving Link a gal would go against this, at least I believe so.

    Also, can you just picture the anger that rises from the people that don’t agree with the pairing? … *shivers from mental thought of rabid fangirls and fanboys stampeding down the streets*

    I completely agree with you, Legendary_Blade. Nintendo should never give Link a pairing, the fans should decide who Link goes with in their minds. It would ruin some peoples’ perception of Link if they did do that.

    You know what might not be a bad idea, is go the route of Knights of the Old Republic. In those games (I know the first, and am assuming the second)you could end up with a lover, based on if you said the right things at the right times. this of course would mean the player would have much more control over dioluge, in which we pick what link says. this would allow you to make your link, slightly different than your friends link. (oh, navi, there are the defenders of cannon waving torches and pitchforks in my lawn, i’d better wrap this up.) But if you Played KOTOR, you’d know that regardless, the game could end in very much the same way. or (OR) the game could have multiple endings, all very satisfying base on the choices you made in the game.

    *sigh* I knew should have left my shipping opinions out of this. Bashing characters is not cool. Turning this rather interesting artical into a shipping debate is about as lame as the Zelda community gets. One person likes Link/Zelda, one person likes Link/Malon, well guess what!? We both think Link is cool which probably means we both like the games. The reason very little actual romantic interest is put in the games is so no one shipping party will have the upperhand. Honestly do the OoT sageshippers have more evidence than the ranchshippers?
    So yeah maybe the only way for the makers to put romance in a game is to give the players the option. Or maybe the players grow up and live with the makers decision. Or maybe the makers just lie and tell the players it is a different Link.

    Huzzah! (Can’t belive I just said that)Great words from Steve_Racer

    Humans (and hylians theoretically) are social beings, like wolves, lions, and the little neighorhood yappy dog that chases your car when you drive out of your driveway *clears throat* and as a saying goes, “Every good man needs a woman beside him.” or something along the line, and as another saying goes, “There is always someone out there for you.” who would be perfect for Link? Not a Blonde-Blue-Eyed Princess, not a Ranch Girl, not a Mermaid Reject (forgive me) not a Child of the Forest, not an Island Girl (Forgive me, Musica, please don’t hit me) but a girl who can go on adventures, on who lives on the road, one who is willing to give her life for the Universe? So who is this girl? Someone who doesn’t exist (well, maybe Tetra, but Shipper Wars tend to focus on OoT/MM Link) this girl would be perfect for Link, yet Nintendo does not allow her to exist. Should she do so, it would change everyone’s perspective of the game, so Nintendo just avoided lawsuits didn’t want any complaints, but the way I see it, this girl would be perfect for Link. What I could see in the Zelda-verse’s future is Link probably saving other lands, other Princesses, so a travelling companion would be good for him, but her existence would probably end the series like a good novel (people fall in love, bla bla bla, have kids, bla bla bla, they’re happy, bla bla bla, no more Zelda, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!) But (and a big but at that) the Line of the Hero keeps going, so somehow, at sometime, the Hero eventually finds a girl, marry, make two dozen kids (not literally) and then the Line of the Hero is still on track, but so no one will get mad, Nintendo will never tell whom they are. Either that, or I need to join Kit at the “Happy Place” what do you guys think? I’m beat *passes out*

    I want to see Princess Zelda and Link in the ending of TP together, because they both need to get lost from Hyrule, because otherwise Windwaker would totally be ruined.
    I hope those two end up together and live peaceful alone. XD but that’s my image about the ending!

    (((Just fiddling around with the HTML))) Methinks that Link and Zelda would make a good pairng, a little cliche though, same with LinkXRuto. LinkXMalon is like country people getting together, not bad at all. LinkxSaria, I think that is a little…perverse, you know. LinkxMarin, makes for a good love novel (I really don’t know what goes on between the two unless Musica gives us a little help ;) ) LinkxRosa, again, I dunno what goes on between the two, I highly doubt there really is something going on between the two. Dark Linkx Ruto/Malon, quite unexpected, and new, I’d have to see how that’ll work out :D GanonxMalon, read them all. Feirce Deity LinkxMarin, another one I’d like to see work out. Weren’t there anymore shippers? I have a question, where does the word “shipper” come from? I understand it’s meaning, but I would like to known its etymmology.

    Honestly, I liked Zelda games (and games in general I guess) a lot better before all this “plot” and “character development” stuff started becoming important. Because no, I don’t care whether Link ends up with someone or not, though I hope that never ever happens. I just want to be mindlessly entertained with some decent gameplay for a few hours. Now, all that having been said, Ganon and Zelda better hook up in Twilight Princess, kthxbai.

    Let’s end it now…Link will marry some random girl, not one of the main female characters and then no one would win except the people at Nintendo who would be laughing their rears off as they ruin everyone’s hopes and reams for our favorite boy clad in green. It will just be some random girl, she doesn’t even have to be Hyrulean. She could be Maple, the witch who constantly flies into Link in the Oracles series. Hey, she’s not clumsy…she’s just flirting. It could be Anju. Yes, he could come between Anju and Kafee….or, make it more dramatic…Link loves all of his many female friends, and he can’t choose between any of them because he does nto want to ruin their friendships, so… he a) commits suicide. b.) Joins the cast of Robin Hood: Men in Tights. or c) He runs away to Never Never Land becasue he doesn’t want to grow up. He wants always to be a little boy and to have fun… this, he changes his name to Peter and takes command of the lst boys. I think an Ocarina and a Pan Flute are pretty close to the same thing. ~.^

    Ok, but what if the girl happens to be a fangirl of the games? Then others would want to be in her place with Link (any other guy and they’d be outta their mind) and there are more women to chase Link with each of your theories, so theres…a) The Goddesses of the Golden Land (I see it like a Heaven for Hyrule) b)Maid Merriam c)Wendy and/or her her daughter, Jane, then there’s the Mermaids, and the Indian Princess (Oh no :D )

    ^ I agree.actually thats what I figured from the begining.that way link stays versatile in the players mind.plus his blood-line dosent have to die out because he skipped getting married in some 7 games! lucky break for him :D .anyways,I cant see nintendo making link get married,at the very most thay could hint at a more serius relationship,but other than that I cant see it working.

    Hyrulian Hero said:
    Dark Linkx Ruto/Malon, quite unexpected, and new, I’d have to see how that’ll work out :D GanonxMalon, read them all.

    On fanfiction.net there are a few D. LinkxMalon fanfictions. I think there’s only one D. LinkxRuto fanfic, authored by your’s truly. Where did you find a GanonxMalon fic? I’ve only seen GanonxZelda. But, I digress. Yes, Link had to be paired with someone for his decendants to save the world (unless we bring in the possibility of reincarnation). But if Nintendo put in this Mystery Woman, the shippers of one side might be angry with another. Not to mention some fangirls might be disapointed that Link is no longer single ;) .

    I don’t think the other Links are related. In The Wind Waker, it said he has no connection to the legendary one (the King of Red Lions). I think that Link gets reincarnated each time he dies, hence, why Ganon says this “Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time reborn.” Just how I think of it though.

    I don’t like the idea of Link ending up with some randem girl from the streets. It just doesn’t fit the way I think of Link.

    Let’s get on topic, folks.

    I’ve noticed a lot of talk about specific shipping groups. This ain’t the topic for it. We’re talking about whether Nintendo will promote some relationship in Twilight or not.

    The Missing Link said:

    Let’s get on topic, folks.
    We’re talking about whether Nintendo will promote some relationship in Twilight or not.

    Of that I have no doubt. this is being heralded as a “darker, and more mature” zelda game, and I think we will see that brought out in every possible way. I mean, from the clips we’ve seen, there’s already three possible romances the game could explore: Ilia, the farmgirl from link’s home village, (ya’ll come back after yous saved that thar princess, ya hear!) Princess Zelmistress Z (it’s tried and true, the hero get’s the Princess) or Minda, (I’m not even going to touch on how that one would work.)

    My theory is that if a relationship is put in. it will end badly by the end of the game. This is because there is speculation that the game’s not going to end well anyway, and a failed romance (be it by death of one of the lovers, or whatever.) would be the icing on a very dark cake.

    PS I think I will touch upon how that would work: Oh mister wolf, what big Eyes you have!
    and now, to dodge those ever-present Pitchforks and tourches. :P

    I have a horrible feeling Ninty will put a romance in this Zelda, just to make it seem more ‘mature’. I hope not, though.

    Maybe they could consider a romance, but one not involving Link? Like the Anju/Kafei scenario! :D

    I hope that if there is a romance because they want to make it more mature, it’ll be interracial (and no, I don’t mean someone with round ears going out with a Hylian). Pair Link with a Zora, etc. That’s maturity, if you ask me, accepting and loving people whether they have fins, or fur, or feathers. If they did that and steered away from the cliche of “hero gets the princess”, I’d be very proud of Ninty.

    And no, I’m not a Link x Ruto shipper.

    Vixxe, thats inter-species. That’s gross. LinkXNabooru, LinkXSaria that’s interracial, that’s fine. But more mature could also mean thet’ll put blood, more violence, or even just have a darker art style. Maybe have the bad guy actually kill some one. Mature doesn’t always mean romance. I doubt there will be romance in it. At least between Link and some one.
    Oh and TML what inspired this?

    Light Link 007 said:

    Vixxe, thats inter-species. That’s gross.

    The difference between inter-species and inter-racial within the Zelda context is a very fine line, indeed.

    Oh and TML what inspired this?

    No real inspiration. It really was, how you might say, the easiest of several topics to write upon my last day in Wisconsin. ;)

    In an interview with Miyamoto at E3 2005 he was asked a question about Link getting togethr with Zelda. He said that since Link was an adalessant in this game, he would be having those emotions. He said it was possible for some romance, but he didn’t say between who. This worries me a little.

    All I can say is thank Din that… well as far as we know, there were no female Gorons in any of the Zelda games so far, lol. OH… but there was a female Deku Scrub in MM…. Uh oh.

    Master Link said:

    In an interview with Miyamoto at E3 2005 he was asked a question about Link getting togethr with Zelda. He said that since Link was an adalessant in this game, he would be having those emotions. He said it was possible for some romance, but he didn’t say between who. This worries me a little.

    TML, your in trouble… I’d say Nintendo beat your theory, I’m sorry, have a cupcake. I bet 5,000 rupees that this game is rated T :D If Link might have these feelings, who is it? I bet another 5,000 rupees that some more Shippers will be unhappy with this decision. I highly doubt it’ll be with Midna, for I think she serves as another purpose ;) BTW, TML, are you a fan of The Lion King or somethin’ :D Anyways, the odds of Link finding ove in this game are depending upon how many available girls are in here.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    TML, your in trouble…

    Uhm, and I quote:

    … He said it was possible for some romance, but he didn’t say between who…. [emphasis mine]

    Did you read the word “possible” and mistake it for “definitely”? I sure didn’t. ;)

    *gives TML the 10,000 rupees* Just take them T_T I don’t think Link should fall in love in the game. I mean, the world is falling apart, so, he needs to get out there out there and save the world.

    yup i agree :D

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    *gives TML the 10,000 rupees* Just take them T_T I don’t think Link should fall in love in the game. I mean, the world is falling apart, so, he needs to get out there out there and save the world.

    You know it would kinda cheesify the series if they did it wrong. I mean crappy romance *cough*LoTR:ThirdAge*cough* is really bad for a game. Or book.

    I think we can all agree one one thing here though. Nintendo is gonna do whatever the *Navi* they want and aren’t gonna give a *navi* what twenty some fans say. Whatever happens happens. And I doubt they will rate this one T. They said this would be the last as we know it, that means the next one might be rated T but likely not this one.

    Even though this is off subject (forgive me, Master TML) but, does anyone know what The Shroud is like? it was mentioned over at EDN, but I can’t remember if it was mentioned here at ZB, but The Shroudis a cell phone game, and it is like a combination of Zelda and Harvest Moon, and I was wondering, does anyone have it, and know what it’s like? Anyways, I grew up knowing a Zelda-verse without Romance in the games, so romance is sorta new, since in FSA ***SPOILER ALERT!!!*** In the Dark World of the Village of the Blue Maiden, there are two firls in a certain are of the Dark World village that ask you some sorta lovey dovey stuff, and if you answer “yes” to one or the other’s question, they will give you a gift, the girl dressed in blue gives you a Heart Container, and the girl dressed in red gives you a Fire Rod.***SPOILER OVER :) *** so, there may be a chance of some romance, but it’s best left out of the games, especially if we want to still guess whom Link will go out with.

    • 50. EA says:

    Link/MasterSword: canon since A Link to the Past!

    There is always a little vague romance in Zelda games (as Hyrulian Hero mentioned above), but nothing concrete in direct relation to Link. I kind of like it that way, but it would be fun to choose your own love interest!

    I don’t think Nintendo doesn’t care about what we think. If you’ve been reading interviews or the Inside Zeldas, you’ll know what I mean. They made Twilight Princess’ graphics that way partially because the fans wanted it.

    Also, in the Inside Zeldas, they are talking about what fans want, and that they are putting very much effort into the game to exceed the fans expectations, and what they want in the game or don’t want. They are trying to make the fans happy with the game.

    If you’ve been reading interviews with Miyamoto or watching E3 coverage audio footage, you’ll know that Nintendo cares about it’s fans, and what they want.

    Personally, I think it’s unlikely that they will put romance into Twilight Princess. I don’t know why, but I don’t think that they will. Ofcourse, from the type of story they’re going to tell, and the mood that the game has, it kind of feels like romance is a necessary thing for the game. But I just don’t think they will.

    Nintendo may hint at the possibilities of a romance, much like they did in OoT, but when it comes down to it, I believe it’ll stick to its roots and not have a conclusive romance…

    …or so I hope…

    *puts TP’s Romantic fate in Nintendo’s hands*

    Vixxe, thats inter-species. That’s gross.

    That comment is lost on me. That’s not what I consider gross in a world like that of Zelda.

    LinkXNabooru, LinkXSaria that’s interracial, that’s fine.

    If you consider Zoras and Gorons a different species to Hylians, then you should consider the Kokiri as a seperate race. Though they may look like Hylian children, they have the characteristic of never growing up. As far as I know, Hylian children do grow up. I think this might denote a different ’species’.

    You make it sound as if the Zoras, Rutos, Gorons and whatever other races there are in the games are what animals are to most humans. To put it quite bluntly, you make them sound like animals to Hylians. On the whole, the different races (yes, I consider them to be different races)seem to be just as intelligent and developed as Hylians, it is their bodies that are different. What’s so gross about falling in love with something that resembles a human almost exactly in character and intelligence, but their bodies are different?

    This will probably sound disgusting to many of you, but if a bear acted and talked just like a human, and it always had, I’d have no qualms loving it like I’d love another man. Think about that statement before you blast me, please. Besides, I’m sure that in a world like the one Zelda is set in, being surrounded by so many different races, you’re bound to fall in love with someone who doesn’t belong to your race. A Hylian and a Zora doesn’t sound wrong to me, it sounds like two people in love. ;D

    *sighs* And no, I’m not a vegetarian or an animal-lover.

    Nintendo may hint at the possibilities of a romance, much like they did in OoT, but when it comes down to it, I believe it’ll stick to its roots and not have a conclusive romance…

    I certainly hope so! I wouldn’t mind something akin to that of OoT, hint at pairings but never follow through.

    Well I do consider the Kokiri a different race, not a different species. Also hylians and humans are of the same species, but just a different race. Like a poodle and great dane. Same species different breed, that’s what race is, its a different breed of the same species, but breed is a demeaning term, so we’ll stick with race. Zoras obviously evolved from a different species entirely, likely fish, and Gorons, well, um uh I don’t know, turtles? Armadillos? Even in Sci-Fi I hate inter-species stuff.

    Also, what I mean by not caring about twenty-some fans is that Nintendo looks at the big picture, the majority. Besides most of the story writers don’t even know this place exists.

    Vixxie said: A Hylian and a Zora doesn’t sound wrong to me, it sounds like two people in love. ;D


    Eh, sorry LL 007, but you can’t beat true love. I believe I can defend the races part, let’s see.

    Arturo said:
    I believe it because Zoras seem to be compatible with Hylian, and Ruto implies in the following quote that you can actually become a Zora:

    All right! You actually decided
    to become a Zora!
    Are you actually ready to marry
    me now?

    Zoras are also mammals, something really strange for evolved fish (look at Adult Ruto). Moreover, they have notable morphology differences, I think depending on their relation with Jabu-Jabu (the King is more like a fish than normal Zoras, and also Princess Ruto is).

    Thus, a Zora/Hylian relantionship is not impossible, also lookup the movie, “Splash.” Gorons, though, I haven’t a clue, as for the Kokiri, I do see a problem with that, the Kokiri are plants T_T I don’t see a Hylian and a Plant going out with each other. I mean, in theory, a Kokiri is a plant, and where they live, it’s cloudy all aday, so, they would grow (because their chlorophyll would allow them to grow into an adult like form) but, they would not have hormones, which is in need of attracting those in the Kingdom of Animals, and the Humans (in this case, Hylians, Zora, Gorons, Sheikah, Gerudo, need I go on?) so, I believe the LinkxSaria Shippers should disband, since nothing can go on between Humans and Plants. Now, we need to get back on subject on the un/possibility of Romance in the Twilight Princess game. There maybe some romance, like looking at each other, and running off when the opposite gender sees the looker, or maybe some attempts of kissing, yet there’s only going to be two girls that might go after Link, Ilia and Zelda, but Ilia get’s captured and Zelda is locked up in the highest room of the tallest tower, thinking the land is dead, since there are alien monsters hanging around, and her Hero is on all fours, and has cravings for elk, with a little imp on his back, running around trying to keep the sky, so, romance would be difficult thing to keep up when the World is on your shoulders, or for fun, we can turn this into a variation of Little Red Riding Hood :D If there’s going to be romance in this game, Link should wait until the evil is done over with, or he needs to get his *NAVI* off that pinic blanket and go save Hyrule, so the children may play again and that kinda stuff. So who should he go out with? With Lady Destiny, of course.

    now i dont want to sound dumb or anything but whos Ilia.

    Llia is the young blond woman that Link seems to have a crush on in TP, you can see her in the Trailer and she seems to be the Mayors daughter.

    I saw her before,but what does she do that makes her look like she has a crush on link?

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    as for the Kokiri, I do see a problem with that, the Kokiri are plants T_T I don’t see a Hylian and a Plant going out with each other.

    Erm…correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe the Kokiri are children, not plants like the Koroks in TWW. I’m curious as to whether the Kokiri are in TP actually.

    But I do agree that a Hylian/Zora relationship is not impossible.

    Really though, this is just making me think that Nintendo would be foolish to match Link up with someone, not just in TP, but in general.

    Legendary_Blade said:

    But I do believe the Kokiri are children, not plants like the Koroks in TWW.

    To LB: Who created them?
    To Subject: I was thinking Ilia had green hair, must be the trick of the light or something. Plus, I didn’t hear anything of someone crushing on someone, otherwise, it would have gone throughout the whole ZC. Anyways, like I said before, the best for Link is someone willing to travel from point A to point Z, since she’d be just as adventurous, but if such a girl were to exist, Nintendo would have to make her in a way where everyone would want it to be *insert adventurous girl here*xLink, but everyone is a critic, some would say Zelda is good, others would want (in this game) Ilia to like Link, but truthfully, the love should only exist in the game if it started out with Link having someone, because otherwise, people with go Star Wars on Nintendo. I don’t think it would be foolish for Nintendo to give Link someone to love, but it has to be in a way so everyone will like her, so, I believe that Nintendo should give someone to Link, like Navi, but not annoying in anyway possible. For now, Link will be the single that every fangirl likes him to be, and the odds of Nintendo giving him someone will have just as much of a chance as when Tingle will stop following Link for his rupees.

    to Hyrulian Hero: The goddesses created them, HH. The Great Deku Tree is just the guardian spirit of the forest, it did not say that he created them anywhere.

    to subject: I don’t think that Nintendo would be able to create a girl that everyone would like, there would be someone.

    nintendo could make a side-quest in TP where you choose between three different girls to help (and no,not three goddesses looking for a home either ;) ) and at the end of the game link marries (or gets engaged with) the one you helped.they would have to be new characters though since it wouldint be fair to put malon for example in and not put zelda in because shes royal.thay would have to have different personalites though so you have a choice,or if you dont want link to get married to anyone just dont do the side-quest.the side-quest would have to come about 5 missions in so you have time to know the characters.

    Interesting idea, GLE, that would be something new, but in order for it to work, would mean the three girls would have to be childhood friends, and they have to be different races, so people would like a little more of a variation (like a Hylian girl, a Zora girl, and a Human girl to choose from) and they should not have any relations to the OoT girls. Also, if the rumors are true that if Link grows up in this game, then it’ll have to be longer than just 5 missions, maybe like seven (it is a lucky number :D )

    or it would be cool for him to find a girl in the twilight realm but not like minda, if shes even a girl…

    Midna’s a girl. I think it would be better to see what the real form of anyone, since the odds of Link’s perfect bride could be a wolf, a monster, or even a Tingle-look-a-like *shudders and shivers*

    I never could think about Link having a family, because to me, he’s just a roamer, traveling from place to place, to do something heroic.I hope you could choose the girls that Link ends up with,(Even though I hate the idea of a zelda/harvest moon game, it would be nice to choose.) because most of the girls in LoZ can’t even defend themselfs. I would let Link fall in love with a girl who is good with a sword or some other type of weapon and would go off with him in his adventures. ‘course I still don’t like that idea of Link dating sort of thing…and it would make the Link-fan girls go crazy. :D

    something like that.they wouldnt necessarly have to be childhood friends,they just have to be in the game long enough for you to get attached to them (who cares what link wants ;) ).of coarse theres the problem of,for example,if someone likes the zoras attitude but doesnt like the idea of link marrying a zora.so how about putting three girls of each race in there respective areas :D ?

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    Interesting idea, GLE, that would be something new, but in order for it to work, would mean the three girls would have to be childhood friends, and they have to be different races, so people would like a little more of a variation (like a Hylian girl, a Zora girl, and a Human girl to choose from) and they should not have any relations to the OoT girls. Also, if the rumors are true that if Link grows up in this game, then it’ll have to be longer than just 5 missions, maybe like seven (it is a lucky number :D )

    who cares what link wants ;)

    ‘Cuz you play, AS Link, meaning whatever we want, Link would want it, too, it’s his curse contract that says so.

    Great Lord Ephraim said:

    something like that.they wouldnt necessarly have to be childhood friends,they just have to be in the game long enough for you to get attached to them (who cares what link wants ;) ).of coarse theres the problem of,for example,if someone likes the zoras attitude but doesnt like the idea of link marrying a zora.so how about putting three girls of each race in there respective areas :D

    Once again, good idea. This would be a complex game to do so. Also, to meet all of those girls, he’ll have to travel all of Hyrule on foot, as his (supposed) child form. That is too much work for love.

    Thank you :) .dont forget he has that pig-thing to ride across hyrule on too,though that might not work out to well :P .ive got a question,is link even old enough to get married in TP? I mean technically he doesnt have to be a certain age but chances are nintendos not going to make some 15-16 year old get married.I cant remember exactly how old he is in TP though.

    In most art I’ve seen, he appears to be 18, so that should be old enough. Just a though. I think I have a new theory on what is making the world collapse, something more evil than Ganondorf, but this is not the subject to talk about that at, so I’ll drop it for now. If Link does fall in love, I predict a lot of people will disapprove, even if it’s with new characters, there will be more Shippers, Shipper Wars will be fiercer, so I think that Nintendo needs to cut out the girls crushing (or hinting of a crush) on Link, so these wars can end. It’s like the Shakespear classic, Romeo and Juliet, in a twisted way.

    if you think about it….Link and Zelda cannot be lovers !! if they were….then the next generation of Link and Zelda would be siblings…..and if the siblings Link and Zelda fall in love again, then they would have imbred Link and Zelda….and then if imbred Link and Zelda fall in love…..than i don’t WANNA know what the new Link and Zelda would look like…..perhaps something off of the Hills Have Eyes ?

    1. the hills have have eyes is rreeaally twisted 2.hyrule chicken is rite,but what happened if they all where killed,then people named them again,and so on……. and 3.i like the idea of linkxzelda,but not them being married!!

    srew the killing thing,but yes,it is true….it’s rated t+!!!!no!!!!!!!!!so that may mean that it could be romance,some blood,or somthing else.and i think that the zora or the saria thing is 2 wierd for our hero,but it’s a possiblitey.and i’m not a shipper,whateves that is……….

    vixxe said:

    So yeah I would like a Zelda game with an element of similar to that of Harvest Moon or Star Ocean, but if the creators want to make Link fall in love with someone in the game then I will trust them to make it work.

    I honestly don’t think Ninty could make it work. I don’t know why, I just don’t trust them with a romance in Zelda, especially if it were between Link and Zelda (which is highly likely). It would be cutscene after cutscene of long, meaningful gazes and cheesy music that makes you jump up and go “oh, I didn’t know I opened a treasure chest!”.

    “Your pure and innocent love has defeated Ganon!”

    “I fear she is dying, she needs your love to survive.”

    “Only a kiss from the one she loves will awaken her from the curse.”

    “Don’t deny the true feelings in your heart!”

    Ugh. That’s exactly what I expect from them. Honestly, if they did that to poor Link, I’d have to reconsider buying the next Zelda game. I don’t want to spend the game dreading the next scene with Zelda in it and rolling my eyes at the sheer corniness we all know it would be. I like my LoZ just the way it is. ;D

    Oh, if you must know, I’m partial to Link X Shiek. Doesn’t mean I want to subject every other Zelda fan to it though.

    Yet is having Link remain purely celibate a proper alternative? Let’s face it, he’s a young adult… a teenager. Nearly every single one of you reading this will know what it’s like being that age. Yeah, you know what I mean. Hero or not, he’s human Hylian, and I doubt he’s a eunich either. No more needs to be said.

    Don’t even go there TML, that’s how things like Hot Coffee come about. I like to think of Link as a sweetie, not some hornbag teen! Don’t ruin that for me! xDDD

    I agree with your FVIII view though. Crappest. Romance. Ever!

    shiek’s an guy,idiit.or at least he/she LOOKS like one…*navi*ssmb trophies….i’m not a perv,i swear!my sister dared me 2 see!!!!

    that’s a first,a triple post!now it’s a quadtple post!!!lolz!!!

    I think Link should fall in Love with Zelda (they kiss and then Zelda back away and says “NO!” and runs aways!)

    Ha, I guess it actually turned out to be Ilia.