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Whose Blog?: Wink, Wink, Nudge, Nudge

July 6th, 2006 at 9:14 pm by The Missing Link

It’s time for Whose Blog Is It Anyway?! The show where everything’s made up, and the points don’t matter! That’s right, the points are about as useful as all the guards in front of Hyrule Castle! Hi, I’m your host, Drew Linky. C’mon let’s have some fun!

So it’s time for another Whose Blog. I certainly hope that you’re enjoying these as I am. Since we’re doing things a bit differently, I figured I should let someone else play the role of Drew Linky so as to keep my bias out of the selection of the character. So I asked Darth Citrus to do the honours… so let’s begin.

Today we’re going to be playing a game called Character Studies. This game is for TML, if he’ll come on up. The game is about talking off the top of his head about a character within the Zelda series, however he wants to do it. Now if I could have a character from the audience? *gets inundated with requests* Nudge! Nudge… that’s a new one. Thank you. You’ll recall, TML, that Nudge is one of Tetra’s pirates from Wind Waker who was guarding Tetra’s room early in the game. So the category is Nudge… and… off you go.

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Were I to be asked a week ago the gender of each of the pirates of Tetra’s crew, I would have replied with absolute certainty that, aside from Tetra, the entire gang of them were rootin’ tootin’ males livin’ upon t’ sev’n seas! Yaaarrrr! I mean, why don’tcha be takin’ a look at this motley crew? A sight fer sore eyes it be! Yaarrrr!


( Taken from The Desert Colossus )

So imagine my surprise when commenter SmashManiac confronted me with a very intriguing point… a point that for all of about ten minutes completely shattered my beliefs and disillusioned me beyond hope. How can I call myself a Zelda fanatic have I become when I cannot recognise the difference between man and woman!? Oh no, woe is me! Doomed I am! (Come to think of it, Sheik fooled me too. Double drats! Oh, woe woe… double the woe!)

But this is my article… and I figure that I shouldn’t get too melodramatic here. I can still save face. As we all know, there are two sides to every story (those sides, in this case, are as different as Venus and Mars), and I figure I should get to the bottom of this one myself. So… without further adieu, the crux of my point.

Nudge by no means is a character that I expect any of you to remember. (I had to play the game again as well as reference my handy-dandy player’s guide.) Let’s face it, Nudge probably has about eight lines of dialogue the entire game… and that’s probably a gross overestimation as is. (No, I’m not going to replay the entire game just for the purpose of counting! Dedication I have for you, but not that much!) As our commentor mentioned on the ‘Blog, Nudge is the person standing by the door to “Miss Tetra’s” room the first time we–as Link–step aboard the Miss’ ship. For a clear visual, check out the person in the upper-right corner of the graphic above. Yes, that’s him, the dude in purple… although that’s probably more a lavender with just a touch of mauve. (Fashion statements galore!)

Now take a look at this beauty found in Waker’s Hyrule Castle:


( Thanks to Zelda Universe )

The two pictures are, as the quick among you have already guessed, related. The characters in one are found in the other, thus showing that Tetra’s entire crew was created from the courtiers and aides that obviously existed back in Hyrule Castle. (This also included Tetra/Zelda’s mother at one point before her untimely passing.) It’s rather easily done once you see the parallels. Three big persons in each, three little persons in each. Start matching up facial features and the process goes rather smoothly… up until Nudge.

Add in the fact that Nudge has a voice akin to a mad scientist creepy woman, and what do you get? One must certainly conclude, in words Austin Powers might say: “That’s not a man, Basil! It’s a minx, baby! Yeah!”

So what gives here? Woman in one life… and then poof, you’ve got a man with the almighty power of the soul patch? Alrighty then. At first blush, it seems as if the only ways to get out of this contradiction are to call up Phoenix Wright (Take that!) or to send Nudge away to a circus as the bearded lady.

But other than what we see here, the only other real tidbits of character that we have to go on are Nudge’s figurine description, which, reads:

Personality: Who knows?
Talent: Sewing

Nudge seems to understand Tetra best of all the pirates and often counsels her in her decision making. He’s actually stronger than Gonzo.

(I’ll bet Nudge enjoys taking long walks on sandy beaches as well.)

The first possibility, as our friendly commenter mentioned, is that Nudge is Impa. It seems pretty sound at first… stronger than the leader pirate Gonzo and closer to Tetra/Zelda than any other. But sewing? Impa? Colour me a sceptic, but I don’t see the connection here. Beyond that, this falls back to the age-old “Is Sheik a guy or gal?” debate, but this time we’re talking about Impa. Now maybe I’m wrong, but Impa–and Sheikah in general–don’t seem to me like someone who’d have to pose as someone from another gender just to be taken seriously. (I mean… c’mon, you all had to have had some respect for Ocarina’s Impa, yes?) So, no, I definitely don’t think this is the case. Not impossible, but I just don’t think Impa is… that timid to do that.

But this solves not our flagrant mystery! And I know you want an answer (because if I don’t give you one, you’re all going to throw rotten tomatoes at me for having just wasted a ton of your time!). So let’s make something up for fun, something plausible, and then let’s run with it.

Nudge I think would have to be Hylian; the name just doesn’t cry out for someone who is Sheikah… and Gerudo is right out because of that whole gender inequality thing. There doesn’t seem to be anything special about him… her… whomever; there’s not a provable ounce of magic anywhere near him/her/it, and he/she/it blends rather well into the background as if he/she/it didn’t exist. Given the fact that, in a former life, Nudge was obviously female, I see no reason why Nudge has somehow had a gender change during Waker. (After all, with all the maps that you have to buy from Tingle, who could afford the rupees to get one in that day and age anyways!?) As for why she looks like a guy, I’m betting the answer has much to do with the fact that, in the pirate business, big, strong, muscular, male-types definitely make a statement, especially if you’ve got three of them. (That statement has got to be, “How’s my sailing? Call 1-800-GET-LOST!”) Presence is everything, especially when you’re “negotiatin’ fer gold dabloons!”

But this has got to be a definite challenge for a lady of the Court who had a propensity to wearing dresses day in and day out? Indeed, this perhaps is roughly the same “growing pains” that Zelda had to take on with her life as her alterego Sheik. I mean, can you see the first day aboard their ship? “But ‘Tra, I don’t wanna swab the deck. But ‘Tra, it’s hot; can I go lounge around for a candlemark or three?” Yet obviously, now that they’ve been sailing for some good bit of time, she’s adapted herself despite the difficulty such a situation would present to her.

As for why she’s working for Tetra, well, I reckon the answer is that she owes some sort of life-debt to the King of Red Lions, likely passed directly onto Tetra herself. After all, their former king did spirit the lot of them away from Hyrule Castle and into the mountains above the oceans. This is no small gift for him to have given her, even if the gift was really impurely driven… for the most part. It’s probably true with all of her crew, in all honesty. (Not much to see there, so scurry along, kids.)

And Nudge has got to be friendly, willing to exchange gossip with Link the moment she laid eyes on him. Her first quote is that Tetra is really 35 years old. (Oh wait, she’s just kidding, you know. Tetra is only Miss Tetra because because her mum got knocked over the side of the ship by the mizzenmast and fell to Linky Jones’ locker.) Along with her closeness to the former princess, she is definitely a people person, willing to accept people rather quickly, such as Link. (This is another trait I definitely do not see in everyone’s favourite Sheikah). But she’s also serious when she needs be–advising Tetra on whatever with that which Tetra would needed assistance. (”Tetra, I think you should wear your blue outfit today! The green one just doesn’t match your eyes.”)

Of course, this is all an educated guess, and my theory isn’t anything lock, stock, and barrel. (I’d be honestly lucky if I just had the barrel!) So please, if you disagree, there’s always the comment section. (But keep it nice, or I’ll make you walk the plank! :D )

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    That’s so funny! I never would have seen it that way! You really got me laughing there.

    one think I disagree on is the sewing thing. while you bring up a good point, I must provide several counter-reasons why sewing dosn’t disprove Nudge=Impa. (lest the fanboy inside me claws his way out and types this himself.)

    A. sewing, so says anyone who is proficient at it, takes presision, skill, coordnation, and patience. Something I believe every Sheikah would hold near and dear to them.

    B. While not strictly Cannon, the Sheik in SSBM used needles to attack. For the sake of my argument, I’m assuming that needles are a common thing among sheikian warriors. And what, may I ask, do you use to sew? Needles.

    C. And just in case the writers of WW weren’t thinking that much into it. We can assume that they made nudge a master seamstress/seamster/seamthing for the sake of making her/him/it more feminine. In hopes we would come to the conclusion we have come to.

    Ahhh… the beast within is soothed. let rest my aching heart.

    :)

    I apologize most humbly for the double post. never shall my name touch twice in this blog again…… NAVI!

    Great article TML, I was laughing before I read it. We should investigate if Nudge really is a woman, for if she is, that means slight major changes to your Book of Mudora. I suggest we start with Tetra’s Trackers, then when PH comes over, we’ll learn more (hopefully.) BTW, where do you come up with these titles? They are great. The title of this one had me laughing before I read it.

    This is wierd. We really need a new game soon or we’ll be thinking tingle is a real fairy.
    It won’t be a very merry christmas here.

    Light Link 007 said:

    This is wierd. We really need a new game soon or we’ll be thinking tingle is a real fairy.
    It won’t be a very merry christmas here.

    He’s not, he’s a 35 year old man with a need for ruppees to get into Ruppee Land (and you got that Christmas thing from the LoL series, didn’t you?) and now, a quest begins! The quest of truth, a quest to see if Nudge is a girl, anyone willing to participate say “Aye aye,” for those that oppose, say “Arrrggg.” Anyways, we might have some thoughts from everyone, pros and cons (but photographic evidence is almost undefeatable. :D ) the picture could be a little more clearer if ZU took the shot from across the castle.

    Great job! Thogh in regards to the parts about S/he looking like a lady in the 2nd pic is it not possible that Nudge is thedecendent of te Anciet Nudgette?

    I do agree with you that Nudge is not Impa, but I see some promise in him being a Sheikah.

    For one thing, the Sheikah were bound to the Royal Family and served as their protectors. In a sense, Nudge plays that role by assisting Tetra/Zelda, the last of the Royal Family bloodline. Sure, he didn’t rescue her from Ganondorf’s clutches or the Helmacroc King’s talons or…but nevertheless, he does aid her to some degree, hence being a member aboard the ship and all.

    I also take into acount the possible figure alteration in OoT, i.e. the Zelda to Sheik incident. If you believe Shiek is a guy like I do…well, then one could see where the questioning of Nudge’s sexuality comes from. But also consider this: if you believe the Sheikah are a completely different race (something I personally don’t believe), you do have to take into account the fact Zelda changed from Hylian to Sheikah, meaning she changed races also (which really is just as awkward). In that case, could it be that Nudge went from a Sheikah to a Hylian Pirate?

    The ability to shape-shift obviously doesn’t prove Nudge a Sheikah, but Zelda’s conversion involved the Sheikah race…well duh, she changed into one, and (YES I KNOW THIS ISN’T CANON, BUT BEAR WITH ME) the OoT manga showed Impa, the truly confirmed Sheikah, being the one to change Zelda to what she was. It would be a logical fallacy to conclude that the Sheikah are responsible for these mutations, but it does bring up the possibility.

    But I also get this irritating feeling that somewhere, the creators of WW are just laughing at us right now for overthinking things like this…

    Have to admit though, up until the Whose Blog, I never considered this possibility. Nice work to you and Smashmaniac!

    Legendary_Blade said:

    For one thing, the Sheikah were bound to the Royal Family and served as their protectors. In a sense, Nudge plays that role by assisting Tetra/Zelda, the last of the Royal Family bloodline.

    At the same time, there are Hylians that protect the Royal Bloodline all the same, namely two score castle guards and likely all of the miscellaneous aides within Hyrule Castle from Ocarina. At any rate, it’s inconclusive at best, as mentioned. It comes down to personal preference. ;)

    In that case, could it be that Nudge went from a Sheikah to a Hylian Pirate?

    If indeed that you believe that Nudge was Sheikah, this is a definite possibility. However, just my hunch, Nudge certainly doesn’t look very Sheikah in that portrait. ;)

    Aye aye Hyrulean Hero! Since I’m the one that brought the point, I would be stupid to refuse. Anything to see what “slight major changes” means! ;) But I don’t think there’s much more to do besides getting videos of all the scenes with Nudge (like 1 or 2), since we have the picture of the painting and the quote of the figurine. I think I’ve already investigated every other possibilities.

    Really great article TML, I’m happy to see that I’ve broken your innocence - and I really like the way you described your shock too! I’m happy to see you actually replayed the game like I did and found the funky “Tetra is 35 years old” quote! I was like “WTF???” for a minute when I read that before I went to the next sentence saying that this was a joke!

    As for the sewing, you should take notice that the trophy description doesn’t say “hobby”, it says “talent”. I bet you’d develop a lot of sewing skills if you were a pirate girl trying to realistically look like a man for several weeks in a row in the middle of the sea!

    I’ll explain more in details why I think your 4-paragraph guess of Nudge’s past is… um… a guess, and why I stick with Impa:
    - The painting in Hyrule Castle compared to the pirate crew… you already talked about it, but I have to add one more element to it. Let’s suppose for a minute that in Zelda, every character is “reincarnated” some fixed time after their death by one of their descendants with a similar face - which would also explain multiple Links, 35-year-old Tingles, and even Medli & Makar as sages if you consider that the whole bloodlines has evolved. Then the painting would actually show Zelda in another life, with all of her highly-ranked noble subjects. If my theory is true, Impa should be on the painting too, and only one character could be her: the girly-looking Nudge-without-a-pinch person at the top-right of the painting.
    - The trophy description directly says that (s)he helps Tetra in her decision-making (like Impa in every other Zelda games) and implicitely says that (s)he is one of strongest pirates of the crew (maybe with magic spells, as like Impa?). Coincidence? I think not!
    - As one of the pirates says (don’t remember who, maybe it’s even Nudge h??self), the fact that Tetra is the captain is merely because she is a girl… and if you’re not sure, put a girl and a group of men and put them in a close room. If I knew Tetra was really Zelda and that she had a part of the Triforce of Wisdom given by her mother, and if I wanted to protect her, I’d stay near her but in the shadows. Being a man is necessary, since being a woman automatically gives a lot of leadership among other swashbuckling pirates.

    Oh and finally I’ve taken a better shot of the painting, I searched for better spots to take it but this one is the best I could do. I think the only way to get a better picture would be to find the image in the actual ROM data.

    SmashManiac said:

    Let’s suppose for a minute that in Zelda, every character is “reincarnated” some fixed time after their death by one of their descendants with a similar face…. If my theory is true, Impa should be on the painting too, and only one character could be her: the girly-looking Nudge-without-a-pinch person at the top-right of the painting.

    Meh… maybe. Supposing that your theory is indeed true, which it might not, we must further assume that one of the six MUST be Impa. There’s really no guarantee at this point that this is necessarily true; Zelda theoretically could have had six other friends/attendants/guardians at the time, so the evidence is inconclusive. Be that as it may, I don’t think that your theory is strong because then you’d logically have multiple Darunias, Sarias, Rutos, Naboorus, and more, and side characters in Zelda aren’t reused that much… unless you’re Tingle.

    - The trophy description directly says that (s)he helps Tetra in her decision-making… and implicitely says that (s)he is one of strongest pirates of the crew…. Coincidence? I think not!

    Again, maybe. There’s no proof against, but this isn’t conclusive evidence for. ;)

    - As one of the pirates says (don’t remember who, maybe it’s even Nudge h??self), the fact that Tetra is the captain is merely because she is a girl…

    Actually, my presumption would be because she’s a royal girl. ;) Nudge just said that the previous Miss had died, thus promoting Tetra to Miss.

    Although this topic, like nearly everything else in the Zelda Universe, is inconclusive, logic can give you a pretty close guess as to what the reality may be (though at this point, that reality is non-existent… oww, the headaches…). If you think about it, what would be the actual point of making the past Nudge in the picture a female? If it wasn’t Nintedo’s intention to give the impression that Nudge may be Impa, then why is he a former she? Well, according to my knowledge of genetics, theres always a 50/50 chance that a child will either be a boy, or a girl. In this case, Nudge just may be a male decendent of the female in the picture, and since the figurine description clearly states that he is indeed a he, I think that its safe to say that Nudge is a male.

    Now, as to wether or not he is the decendant of Impa is a little more complicated. TML said that he is unable to picture Impa, or Shiekahs in general, as a people who would sew, but that is TML’s personal opinion, therefore leaving that argument a little dry. Why would Sheikah’s be unable to sew? As Master Volvagia said, it takes presision, skill, coordnation, and patience, atributes asociated with the Shiekah. And with all the long voyages they must have taken, it would have been a good past time. Also I must remind you that in OoA and OoS, Impa wasn’t so much your mean, green, light flashing machine - she was much more your sewing, mother-like, people person type. This also brings up another point: you said that the King of Hyrule would have sent Zelda and all the other people in the picture up to the top of the mountains to save them from drowning in the flood. Why would he, a loving father, entrust her to an entire group of men? He would have to have given her some form of protection from mens, ughh… primal urges… and who other than a large, muscular women who is stronger than all of them? And if you look carefully at the picture, you will notice that the low cut grey dress is similar to OoT’s Impas outfit and her head gear is similar to that worn by OoA’s and OoS’s Impa. Maybe a merge of the two?

    As to whether or not Nudge is a Sheikah, I believe that by now, determining races in WW has become quite a nightmare, with Zoras apparently becoming Rito and Kokiri Koroks. As Legendary_Blade suggested, Shiekahs probably aren’t a race within themselves, they may be just a separate group in the Hylian culture, much like Ninjas in the real world. After all, would you call sorcerers a different race just because they wear pointy hats, have beards, and carry staffs? And as Legendary_Blade also pointed out, Zelda would have to convert herself entirley into a different race in order to become Shiek, thereby complicating that whole process again. And if I remember correctly, there was no mention of OoA’s and OoS’s Impa being a Shiekah, so why should Nudge be? He definitley acts as a guardian to Tetra, and his obvious femeninity and understanding would give Tetra a bit of relief from the constant grunting and groaning of her male companions.

    However, like I stated in the begining, all of this is inconclusive, but I reckon that with what we’re given its safe to say that, Nudge, whether the decendant of Impa or not, does play the “Impa-like” role over Tetra/Zelda in WW.

    Anyways, I’m gonna go get some aspirin… ugghhh

    Have you people already forgotten the ZB Post about the Sheikah? We mentioned that Impa maybe just one example of the Sheikah beings, not all of them looking like that, so we can assume that Nudge is a Sheikah, which would mean she’s either Impa, or a relative, plus, remember the ZB Post, named, “Zelda’s Axiom,” if you guys read throughout the whole cliche list (like I did, what a read) you’ll know something cliche’d (is that right?) is necessary to make the game a good one, and I remember one stating, “That the current person (hero/ine most likely) will look just like their ancestor/s.” proving that this is that cliche, and it proves that Nudge is a female.

    Its a nice theory but I just dont know, they do say that almost all pirates were gay so you never know do you, lol.

    BTW How many generations do you think have passed since the time of the flooding and Wind Waker?

    I lean towards the theory that the pirates, including Nudge, are descendants of the people in that portrait. Though he does seem to have a stronger feminine side than most of the pirates, I seriously doubt Nudge is female, and though I wouldn’t be too surprised if he was a descendent of Impa, I would hardly call the evidence for it strong. Hyrulian Hero, no offense, but you need to take a course in logic before throwing the word “proves” around. :P

    All that I would have to say is that Nudge is a transvestite.

    But anyone considered that the makers of WW were just *navi-ing* with us? They’re probably laughing to the point of croaking over right now.

    Robert-UK said:

    BTW How many generations do you think have passed since the time of the flooding and Wind Waker?

    I dunno. Some theories say hundreds, others say a few years *coughTcoughMcoughLcough* we just don’t know. And as for Aubrey, your right, I was just thinking/typing around, but I figure Nudge is a Sheikah. Should time from the flood to TWW were a few years, there is a possibility that Nudge is Impa. Just thinking, what if the king got Impa to go with Tetra, and had to “nudge” Impa into protecting this descendant of Zelda.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    And as for Aubrey, your right, I was just thinking/typing around….

    Forgive me for double posting, but I meant aloud, not around.

    isint it possible that miss nudge is just nudges great great great great grandmother :P ? the flooding did happen a long time before WW.maybe PH will have some more info on it though.on a minor note,is that potho in the picture?

    The Missing Link said:

    If indeed that you believe that Nudge was Sheikah, this is a definite possibility. However, just my hunch, Nudge certainly doesn’t look very Sheikah in that portrait. ;)

    Ah, but that is also assuming that all Sheikah are slim and shady . Bad pun, I know, but really, we’ve only seen two Sheikah, and Sheik/Zelda hardly qualifies.

    The Missing Link said:

    SmashManiac said:

    Let’s suppose for a minute that in Zelda, every character is “reincarnated” some fixed time after their death by one of their descendants with a similar face…. If my theory is true, Impa should be on the painting too, and only one character could be her: the girly-looking Nudge-without-a-pinch person at the top-right of the painting.

    Meh… maybe. Supposing that your theory is indeed true, which it might not, we must further assume that one of the six MUST be Impa. There’s really no guarantee at this point that this is necessarily true; Zelda theoretically could have had six other friends/attendants/guardians at the time, so the evidence is inconclusive. Be that as it may, I don’t think that your theory is strong because then you’d logically have multiple Darunias, Sarias, Rutos, Naboorus, and more, and side characters in Zelda aren’t reused that much… unless you’re Tingle.

    That and also we don’t know precisely when that painting was done. Impa was the attendant for the Zelda in OoT . There’s a couple hundred year span between OoT/MM and TWW, which brings opportunity for other members of the Royal Family to come about, meaning it’s more than likely many passed away and new ones came. Also, We don’t know in that painting 1) if that’s the same Zelda, 2) if Impa even served as an attendant any time after the events of OoT, and 3) if one of those people in the painting are even a Sheikah at all. Since “Sheikah serve the Royal Family from generation to generation” (Impa) and because we don’t know if that portrait is from year X or Y or Z, then we can’t automatically assume that the Sheikah you presume Nudge to reincarnate from is Impa.

    Maybe TP could help, seeing how it’s supposed to be after OoT but before TWW

    Well, if theories are correct, then the Sheikah are like ninja’s, and are only necessary for the royal family. Luckily for me, when I finished TWW, I kept both my First Quest name and my Second Quest name, and I just went through a tiny bit on my Second Quest name, I got to the point where I lose my sword, anyways, I got a good mugshot of Nudge, and it shows a small beard, but it doesn’t match their hair color (Nudges hair is green, while facial hair is black…hhhmmm) Speaking of pictures, does anyone know how to upload a screen shot of a game onto a computer?

    Wow, I guess this blog entry has gotten a new record for the longest comments since the timeline debates! Let’s celebrate! :D

    I have to say how I found the connection between the painting and the pirates. Actually Hyrule Castle is my favorite part of The Wind Waker because of the black & white frozen time, the big battle after removing the Master Sword from its pedestral, the nostalgia of Ocarina of Time, the big statue of the Hero of Time getting crushed later in the game, the surprising entrance of the King of Hyrule, the revelation of Tetra’s true identity, and most of all the music. Because of that, I got 2 files at Hyrule Castle (one before getting the Master Sword, the other one when the Master Sword has just awakened), and sometimes I start those files only to hang out in this special mood. When I first saw the painting, I immediately thought that the person in the top-right corner of it was Impa. After hanging out several hours there I noticed that the guy besides Zelda looked a lot like Niko, and started to match each face with the pirate crew. You know what happened then. :)

    Ok, I want to make something clear - there’s only one thing that we are 100% sure: Nudge is a mystery. There’s no proof he’s a girl, there’s no proof he’s Impa, there’s no proof he’s a Sheikah, there’s no proof he’s a Hylian, there’s no proof he has a real or fake pinch, there’s no proof of anything helpful for this topic.

    All we know for sure is that Nudge is a pirate of Tetra’s crew, he helps her in her decision making, he protects her cabin when there’s visitors on the ship, he’s more powerful that Gunzo, he looks like a girly-looking ancestor which was close to the Royal Family, he’s talented for sewing, he has a creepy voice and he makes bad jokes about Tetra’s age. All of the rest are sadly mere guesses, speculations and theories.

    Now to answer to some of TML’s arguments…

    The Missing Link said:

    Be that as it may, I don’t think that your theory is strong because then you’d logically have multiple Darunias, Sarias, Rutos, Naboorus, and more, and side characters in Zelda aren’t reused that much… unless you’re Tingle.

    Actually, with my reincarnation theory, Medli would be Ruto and Makar would be Saria. Besides, Medli and Ruto are as reckless, and Makar and Saria practices a lot with their instruments. As for Darunia and Nabooru, they could be hiding or they can be anywhere outside of the boundary of the world map, but they would actually be alive because the Master Sword wouldn’t have its power back otherwise. But you’re right, this theory is not really stronger than any other right now.

    Actually, my presumption would be because she’s a royal girl. ;) Nudge just said that the previous Miss had died, thus promoting Tetra to Miss.

    Well you’re right there, Tetra would have been the captain anyway. But still another girl could have gotten a lot of leadership too and lead to some confrontations, which you don’t want if you’re trying to hide your true identity.

    My hope right now is that Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass shines a new light on this subject. Meanwhile, ummm… I guess I’ll start a new game of The Wind Waker. ;)

    In fact the painting has been drawn in the future (Zelda no longer needs to hide her identity) and clearly shows Nudge after his sex reversal which he had longed for quite some time (it took place shortly after Waker - he took courage in the sudden events). Supposedly the sheikah (Tetra used to talk a lot about them) have been an archetype for him all the years during his identity crisis.

    I like to believe that almost all Pirates are like Captain Jack Sparrow from the Pirates of the Caribbean movies (Thats Cari-bbean not Carribb-ean like how its said in America, lol)if you havent seen at least one of them then I suggest you watch one and then take another look at Nudge, lol.

    Pascal said:

    (Tetra used to talk a lot about them)

    Explination, please? I haven’t heard much from Tetra, and I know the ONLY time she talked about something else other than the known current events of TWW are of the “other pirates” which were speculated to be the sheikah in the ZB post, “Four Things You Didn’t Notice in TWW.” I still think Nudge is a Sheikah, but until proof comes around, not much will change my mind, and as for his gender problem, I don’t have anything on that.

    • 26. EA says:

    I don’t think that just because Nudge may be the Impa in this game and that his/her talent is sewing makes it safe to say that Nudge is a girl. Sure, Nudge’s ancestor in the portrait may be a woman, perhaps, but that doesn’t automatically make Nudge one. I mean, all of Tetra’s pirates in that ancestor portrait have features that deviate from their game forms, naturally. Is Nudge Impa herself? I don’t believe that. Is Nudge an Impa incarnate? Probably.

    And as for the sewing talent…well, when sails and clothing rip, what is a pirate crew to do when there’s no one on board who can sew? Be stranded naked in the middle of the ocean? I think not! Therefore, it stands to reason that some of the pirates can sew or delegate all the sewing to Nudge. And I can only see Tetra sewing if she thought no one was looking…

    EA said:

    Is Nudge Impa herself? I don’t believe that. Is Nudge an Impa incarnate? Probably.

    Well, unless Sheikahs can live up to 1000 years or something like Ganon… but without the Triforce of Power it would be very very surprising.

    This discussion opens up all sorts of cans of worms here, all of which I find very interesting.

    In particular, there’s one crowd that believes that the pirates are the descendants from those pictured; in the other (my) crowd, the pirates are the same people as those pictured.

    I could easily go out on a limb here and point out that the portrait on the opposite side of the room is indeed the King of Red Lions, so that portrait must be relatively recent. I would then suggest that the picture of Zelda et al would likely be approximately the same age as the other (or at least within the same timespan as).

    I say this because for two reasons. First, obviously the KoRL knows precisely who Tetra is (and it would be folly to call Tetra Zelda if indeed she was not born as such), and so I believe that Zelda is indeed his daughter. Secondly, being that the picture of Zelda et al is merely the portrait of a princess as opposed to a queen, I imagine that, if it weren’t the Tetra/Zelda from the game, it would likely have been replaced during the KoRL’s reign with something more meaningful to the present.

    As such, there is no time for there to be second-generation descendants of the nobles in the portrait; they must be those people.

    Of course, all this is speculative at best, circumstancial evidence if you will. I merely deduce my own conclusions from the evidence the game provides, which sadly is very little… albeit much more than Joe Zeldafan would ever glean from it.

    Well SmashManiac Elves do have extremely long life spans compared to Humans so who is to say just how long a Sheikah can live for, they are the shadows of the Hyilian people… or so they say.

    TML, although what you say has some merit, there is greater evidence to suggest that it is not possible for them to be the same people, unless of course they’ve been alive for a very long time. The intro of WW clearly states that many generations have passed since the flooding of Hyrule, so long in fact, that the people have forgotten that Hyrule ever existed in the first place. If what you say is true, then Tetra/Zelda would have at one point been in ancient Hyrule and therefore her, and the rest of her crew would have remembered the events of the past. This would also mean that everyone else in the Wind Waker would and that Link is the same Link that is represented in the statue in Hyrule castle, and we all know that is not possible. And also, when you enter Hyrule castle, everything is frozen: frozen in a point in the past when Ganon’s minions had taken over the castle. This would then mean that the portraits in the castle could not have been changed or updated, and if indeed they were somehow mysteriously changed, considering that the KoRL has no hands in his boat form, what would be the purpose?

    Also, I don’t think the the KoRL is Tetra/Zelda’s father, but rather her ancestor. He seems to me much more of a ghostly being, and since he has knowledge of Ancient Hylia and likes to catch up with the events of old with talking fish and giant trees, he really can’t be from the current time period. And why, if he indeed was the King of Hyrule, does he spend most of his time as a boat? I think if any, the Godesses may have kept him round, or brought him back, as a means of guiding Link in the future as he would be the only one, apart from Jabun and the Great Deku Tree, with knowlege of who Ganon is and of what happened in Ancient Hyrule.

    And if Link, Zelda, and Ganon can consantly appear in games without much alteration to their appearance, then why can’t Tetra’s crew? And that still doesn’t solve why Nudge is now a male, and he is because the figurine description says “he’s actually stronger than Gonzo”, therefore closing that dispute on his gender. And those who are about to argue that the figurine sculptor may not have realised that Nudge is a female, may I remind you that it was Nintendo who wrote the characer info, not that little figurine dude.

    Really, him being some form of Impa decendent/incarnate or whatever, is the most likley option at the moment, but since there is no solid text confirmation, it can not be completley confirmed, so therefore we are once again left hanging with two sides flailing about…

    …I’m starting to think Nintendo likes stirring up trouble.

    Darth Taya said:

    The intro of WW clearly states that many generations have passed since the flooding of Hyrule, so long in fact, that the people have forgotten that Hyrule ever existed in the first place.

    People always say this. It’s not true. The legend says two things:

    (1)”This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. / The boy’s tale was passed down through generations until it became legend…”
    (2) “The memory of the kingdom vanished, but its legend survived on the wind’s breath.”

    The “generations ago” comment refers to the time that has passed since Ocarina, not the flooding. All we know about the timing of the flood is that the memory of the kingdom [of Hyrule] vanished. Now, one can say that this means that a long bit of time passed, but being the author of The Book of Mudora, I’ve been forced many times to come up with creative solutions to get around the notion of paradox. (Artistic license is an author’s best friend!)

    I’ve always theorised that, since the goddesses themselves intervened, there’s an alternate avenue of possibility to have travelled down. In short, all we know is that the created they water bubble over Hyrule, but that does not preclude them from having done something else. That something else, I believe, is the erasing of the memories of Hyrule, thereby allowing the citizens of… hmmm… “New Hyrule” to live without wondering what the heck just happened to them and why in the world they’re living on a bloody island.

    There’s no proof that it’s true, mind. However, that does disprove the notion about the intro being “clear” on the subject.

    Now, even if it were true, we don’t quite get a contradiction out of it, but we do get some moments where things don’t seem logical.

    If Tetra is some great … great granddaughter of the KoRL… why does he instantly recognise her as “Princess Zelda”? The question boils down to the reason she has two names. Why isn’t the pirate herself called Zelda? Or why doesn’t the KoRL dub her Princess Tetra? Obviously her mother had to give her these two names, one of which in secret. But there’s no good reason for that. (There’s also no good reason why all princesses MUST be called Zelda.)

    The actual reason for this dual naming is not an in-game reason at all. It’s a plot twist, my friends. We cannot have pirate Zelda because then we the players will KNOW that the pirate would become a princess. We cannot have Princess Tetra because it is a relatively unfamiliar name; we are familiar with Princess Zelda, and so therefore it’s an appeal to emotion to draw up all those memories of past games. But in game, if indeed she was not in the disaster (when she could have been known as Princess Zelda), there’s no good explanations.

    Not that one doesn’t exist. One could conceivably come up some “tradition” they followed when they were expelled from Hyrule. (As such, no “true” contradiction.) However, I merely believe that that’s one complexity too much for the whole thing to make sense. ;)

    I figured the flooding of Hyrule began when Link and Tetra were still very young, or even unborn yet (slightly explains why Tetra’s mother was the caqptain before) and teir memories were erased, then after some time, like the usual Zelda cliche, parents (most likely mothers) disapear and no one seems to care (even though they would care a lot) plus I agree with most of TML’s time line, and the Book of Mudora, but we are never sure what goes on in the Zelda-verse until/unless Nintendo makes more spinoffs (like the new Tingle game coming out soon) I believe now that the woman in the painting is not Impa, but that still does not change my mind believing that the woman is a Sheikah, and as we know from Sheik, they can change their genders ( when I first saw Sheik, I always though he could be some dude helping out Link, then when I read the spoiler in my Player’s Guide, we were sorta shocked) so if Nudge is a woman, then she’s pulling a sheep in wolf’s clothing on us (and it’s real good) and don’t forget, it’s always fun to tantalize those into something we know, but they don’t (like one’s surprise party) so we can’t trust Nintendo on whether Nudge is a Sheikah, or a woman, for know (until PH or when Nintendo spills the beans again)

    The Missing Link said:

    Darth Taya said:

    The intro of WW clearly states that many generations have passed since the flooding of Hyrule, so long in fact, that the people have forgotten that Hyrule ever existed in the first place.

    People always say this. It’s not true. The legend says two things:

    (1)”This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. / The boy’s tale was passed down through generations until it became legend…”
    (2) “The memory of the kingdom vanished, but its legend survived on the wind’s breath.”

    The “generations ago” comment refers to the time that has passed since Ocarina, not the flooding. All we know about the timing of the flood is that the memory of the kingdom [of Hyrule] vanished. Now, one can say that this means that a long bit of time passed, but being the author of The Book of Mudora, I’ve been forced many times to come up with creative solutions to get around the notion of paradox. (Artistic license is an author’s best friend!)

    I’ve always theorised that, since the goddesses themselves intervened, there’s an alternate avenue of possibility to have travelled down. In short, all we know is that the created they water bubble over Hyrule, but that does not preclude them from having done something else. That something else, I believe, is the erasing of the memories of Hyrule, thereby allowing the citizens of… hmmm… “New Hyrule” to live without wondering what the heck just happened to them and why in the world they’re living on a bloody island.

    There’s no proof that it’s true, mind. However, that does disprove the notion about the intro being “clear” on the subject.

    Now, even if it were true, we don’t quite get a contradiction out of it, but we do get some moments where things don’t seem logical.

    If Tetra is some great … great granddaughter of the KoRL… why does he instantly recognise her as “Princess Zelda”? The question boils down to the reason she has two names. Why isn’t the pirate herself called Zelda? Or why doesn’t the KoRL dub her Princess Tetra? Obviously her mother had to give her these two names, one of which in secret. But there’s no good reason for that. (There’s also no good reason why all princesses MUST be called Zelda.)

    The actual reason for this dual naming is not an in-game reason at all. It’s a plot twist, my friends. We cannot have pirate Zelda because then we the players will KNOW that the pirate would become a princess. We cannot have Princess Tetra because it is a relatively unfamiliar name; we are familiar with Princess Zelda, and so therefore it’s an appeal to emotion to draw up all those memories of past games. But in game, if indeed she was not in the disaster (when she could have been known as Princess Zelda), there’s no good explanations.

    Not that one doesn’t exist. One could conceivably come up some “tradition” they followed when they were expelled from Hyrule. (As such, no “true” contradiction.) However, I merely believe that that’s one complexity too much for the whole thing to make sense. ;)

    First: read this quote from TWW by the King:

    Once, long ago, this land of Hyrule was
    turned into a world of shadows by Ganon,
    who sought to obtain the power of the
    gods for his own evil ends.

    My power alone could not stop the fiend,
    and our only choice was to leave the fate
    of the kingdom in the hands of the gods…

    When the gods heard our pleas, they chose
    to seal away not only Ganon, but Hyrule
    itself…and so, with a torrential downpour
    of rains from the heavens…

    Our fair kingdom was soon buried beneath
    the waves, forgotten at the bottom of
    the ocean.

    Yet all was not lost. For the gods knew
    that to seal the people away with the
    kingdom would be to grant Ganon’s wish
    for the destruction of the land.

    So, before the sealing of the kingdom,
    the gods chose those who would build a
    new country and commanded them to take
    refuge on the mountaintops.

    Those people were your ancestors.

    Hundreds of years have passed since then…

    Explicit enough?

    Arturo said:

    First: read this quote from TWW by the King:

    Once, long ago, this land of Hyrule was
    turned into a world of shadows by Ganon,
    who sought to obtain the power of the
    gods for his own evil ends.

    My power alone could not stop the fiend,
    and our only choice was to leave the fate
    of the kingdom in the hands of the gods…

    When the gods heard our pleas, they chose
    to seal away not only Ganon, but Hyrule
    itself…and so, with a torrential downpour
    of rains from the heavens…

    Our fair kingdom was soon buried beneath
    the waves, forgotten at the bottom of
    the ocean.

    Yet all was not lost. For the gods knew
    that to seal the people away with the
    kingdom would be to grant Ganon’s wish
    for the destruction of the land.

    So, before the sealing of the kingdom,
    the gods chose those who would build a
    new country and commanded them to take
    refuge on the mountaintops.

    Those people were your ancestors.

    Hundreds of years have passed since then…

    Explicit enough?

    TML, we’re in trouble, bring out the Wallet Monsters. Is there a quote to fight this one, like the King saying that Tetra is his daughter or something?You know what, Arturo, TML, and I are starting to go off subject about this, we’re talking about Nudge, not everything else in TWW. All we know is that Nudge is an enigma, we don’t know what their race is, we don’t know their history, we even don’t know what Nudge’s exact gender is, but it’s fun speculating.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    TML, we’re in trouble, bring out the Wallet Monsters. Is there a quote to fight this one, like the King saying that Tetra is his daughter or something?You know what, Arturo, TML, and I are starting to go off subject about this, we’re talking about Nudge, not everything else in TWW. All we know is that Nudge is an enigma, we don’t know what their race is, we don’t know their history, we even don’t know what Nudge’s exact gender is, but it’s fun speculating.

    Actually I think it’s very important about Nudge past, and that we’re not going out of subject. Here’s why.

    I gathered a bunch of quotes and they are all very interesting… well unless both the King of Hyrule AND Ganondorf are lying… but why would they lie anyway?

    When Tetra meets Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule:

    TETRA: Are you him? Are you the one who was speaking through my stone without my permission? Answer me!

    DAPHNES: This stone is an enhanced version of the Gossip Stones long spoken of in the legends of the Hyrulian Royal Family. I am the one who made it.

    TETRA: You made it? The royal family’s Gossip Stone? I’m sorry, but I have no idea what you’re talking about.

    Also in the figurine decriptions:

    King of Hyrule

    The King of Hyrule was unable to protect his kingdom from evil and left its fate up to the gods. The king of Red Lions is merely his disguise. His full name is one that is truly fit for royalty: Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule.

    Therefore, the King of Hyrule doesn’t seem to be the same King of Hyrule back in Ocarina of Time, but could very well be the same King of Hyrule on the other painting within Hyrule Castle, which happened before the flooding, and before Hyrule became a mere legend… which means that even without the Triforce of Power, some people like Ganondorf and the King of Hyrule can survive for hundreds of years, which could very well include Sheikahs. But for some others like Tetra, it obviously isn’t the case, since she has no clue of her destiny before the King of Hyrule reveals her true identity. Even Ganondorf thought Tetra was lying in Forsaken Fortress when she argued she didn’t know anything about a Zelda thing.

    And since we’re talking about the bad guy, right after the battle with Puppet Ganon:

    GANON: Yes, surely you are the Hero of Time, reborn… Your time has come… Come now… Stand before me!

    Everybody in The Wind Waker seems to agree that The Wind Waker’s Link is not the Ocarina of Time Link, but sometimes only after a while. For example, the Great Deku Tree thinks that Link is the Hero of Time before it realizes that Link can’t understand Hylian. But since Ganondorf himself believes in my reincarnation theory, even if Sheikahs can’t survive for hundreds of years, Nudge could any Sheikah reborn.

    Conclusion: Nudge is STILL a mystery. :P

    SmashManiac said:

    But since Ganondorf himself believes in my reincarnation theory, even if Sheikahs can’t survive for hundreds of years, Nudge could any Sheikah reborn.

    Typo. I meaned “Nudge could be any Sheikah reborn.”

    I can already tell theres never going to be an answer to this one :P .why does everyone think nudge is a lady anyways?exept for an old picture in hyrule castle,theres no real proof.theres not much proof that hes a shiekah either.if you stop and think about it,poor nudge is being acused of being a female shiekah because of some picture found in an ancient castle :D .I still say its probably his desendent in the picture,thay probably just made it be a female to reflect on his personality in the game.Arturos quote pretty much cleared up the question about the time the flood happened,and since we know hyrule was frozen in time,the picture had to have been ancient.by the way TML,isint the reason behind every princess being named zelda part of AOLs backstory?

    Nudge by no means is a character that I expect any of you to remember.

    I didn’t really remember Nudge. This article did refresh me though.

    Anyways this whole “Nudge: Boy or Girl” thing is kinda freaking me out a little, so I’ll just say he/she is a genderless zombie-alien or something. :)

    Arturo said:

    Those people were your ancestors.

    Hundreds of years have passed since then…

    Explicit enough?

    I was arguing against the introduction, not Daphnes’ speech. ;) However, nevertheless that one will win that battle, and I commend you…

    However! Even then, the second half of my argument kicks into play at that point, and though there’s no contradiction proper, we find ourselves in a catch-22 where one theory explicitly violates canon’s* game text whereas the other theory is somewhat convoluted and implausible… ironically from the same monologue from the same character.

    Very curious.

    The Missing Link said:

    Darth Taya said:

    The intro of WW clearly states that many generations have passed since the flooding of Hyrule, so long in fact, that the people have forgotten that Hyrule ever existed in the first place.

    People always say this. It’s not true. The legend says two things:

    (1)”This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. / The boy’s tale was passed down through generations until it became legend…”
    (2) “The memory of the kingdom vanished, but its legend survived on the wind’s breath.”

    My bad. Sorry, I wrote that comment out of my memory, which unfortunatley remembered incorrectly and got mixed up, believing that the “generations” part had refered to the tradition of dressing boys up in green as a coming of age celebration, not the passing down of the Hero of Times legend. However, after going back and playing through the beginning of the game again, Links grandma mentions the age old tradition of dressing boys up and teaching them to fight with a sword and the custom of hanging sheilds on walls. She also mentioned how there was once an “age of swords”, or something along those lines, and how it had ended and they had entered a stage of peace, with Orca now the only one who remembered about that era.

    I suppose that era could have been Hyrule, but thanks to Arturo and her quote, it clearly states that hundreds of years have passed since the flood, which simplifies somethings and complicates others.

    As for the deal with King of Hyrule, here is his figurine descripton:

    The King of Hyruel was unable to protect his kingdom from evil and left its fate up to the gods. The King of Red Lions is merely his disguise.

    His full name is one that is truly fit for royalty: Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule.

    Now taking that into consideration, it makes it impossible for Daphnes to be Zeldas father, as the descriptions states that he was king before the flood, and Arturo’s quote states that hundred of years have passed since then and that Zelda and Link are the decendants of those that survived on the mountaintops. This means that Daphnes must have had some sort of magical or divine intervention in order to allow him to live that long. Possibly the will of the goddesses?

    But… we are straying off topic now.

    I think that now it is pretty safe to assume that Tetra and her crew are the decendents of the people in the picture, considering the simple fact the the King stated that Tetra/Zelda and Link were the decendants of somebody, and the people in the portriat undeniably look like Tetra/Zelda and her cew. Considering that, Nudge therefore would be a male decendant of the girl in the pic.

    Now if the Pirates are the decendants of the portrait people, then they would naturally have to have survived the flood. However, I change my view that Nudge is a decendant of Impa, because of one tiny thing that we’ve all forgoten: Impa is a sage.

    Now, considering that throughout the Zelda games it has been customary for the decendants of sages to take on their ancestors roles, I find it highly unlikley that Nudge would be a sage because A) He would be far too easy a target for Ganon, B) He is hardley mentioned in the game, let alone led on to be a sage, and C) he is too dullwitted (however, C doesn’t count because its my own opinion).

    I reckon that we’ve just blown this out of proportion and that putting in a female Nudge was just a gag Nintendo made to make fun of Nudges femininity.

    Bet their laughing real hard at us now.

    I think we are now ready to send the URL of this page to Aonuma and Miyamoto. :D

    Leading on from TML’s response to Darth Taylor about Tetra/Zelda having once been the original Zelda in Old Hyrule, when Tetra transforms into Zelda in Hyrule Castles basement not only does she lose her dark skin but she also loses her accent and begins speaking like a proper Princess so I think I will have to agree with TML’s theory about the memory whipe by the three Goddesses because theres no way that a rough, tough little Pirate girl would start talking in that fashion… so who knows maybe Impa/Nudge asked the Goddesses to turn her into a man, lol.

    Robert-UK said:

    Leading on from TML’s response to Darth Taylor about Tetra/Zelda having once been the original Zelda in Old Hyrule, when Tetra transforms into Zelda in Hyrule Castles basement not only does she lose her dark skin but she also loses her accent and begins speaking like a proper Princess so I think I will have to agree with TML’s theory about the memory whipe by the three Goddesses because theres no way that a rough, tough little Pirate girl would start talking in that fashion… so who knows maybe Impa/Nudge asked the Goddesses to turn her into a man lol.

    I agree with that theory, but there is a problem with your theory, Robert, Nudge is not Impa, but your thought of the woman-to-man theory is plausible. I guess the other’s changed into their pirate-look by shaving (alot) but this raises a question, why did the Royal Family members become pirates, they could have been something like mayors, or islanders, or even…bar workers, but they had to be pirates, why?

    Robert-UK said:

    Leading on from TML’s response to Darth Taylor about Tetra/Zelda having once been the original Zelda in Old Hyrule, when Tetra transforms into Zelda in Hyrule Castles basement not only does she lose her dark skin but she also loses her accent and begins speaking like a proper Princess so I think I will have to agree with TML’s theory about the memory whipe by the three Goddesses because theres no way that a rough, tough little Pirate girl would start talking in that fashion… so who knows maybe Impa/Nudge asked the Goddesses to turn her into a man, lol.

    Actually Tetra acquires the full Triforce of Wisdom when she transforms into Zelda, so this has nothing to do with any kind of memory whipe, she just learn everything at that point! As for the skin, I think it’s only makeup. And as for the accent, I’m pretty sure you would stop talking as a swashbuckling pirate the second you’d learn that you’re a princess!

    Seriously I see no reason why Gods would just like that make everybody forget the past, especially when Ganondorf and Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule are unaffected, and the Triforce split all the time between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker.

    There’s also a point I forgot to mention. Do you remember Tetra’s mother? According to you she should be Daphnes wife. But she’s nowhere in the castle. Why? Because she didn’t exist by then. That about the accent and the name is just because she has to be the Princess of Hyrule, Zelda. And the King is not sure on whether Tetra is the descendant of the Royal Family in the conversation with Jabun, where he says he thinks he has found the princess. But Tetra transforms into Zelda because of that. No fanficcish theories about memory losing.

    Robert-UK said:

    Leading on from TML’s response to Darth Taylor…

    Its Darth Taya. And no, its not meant to be Traya, for those that have played Knights of the Old Republic II. And yes, I am female, no Nudge thing gong on here people. ;)

    And no, Tetra can’t be the same Zelda as the one in the portrait. Read Arturos quote again and you’ll see why.

    SmashManiac said:

    I think we are now ready to send the URL of this page to Aonuma and Miyamoto. :D

    Hehehe… yup.

    Do remember that in TWW inside the castle when Link and Tetra meet the King, Daphnes Nohansen of Hyrule goes on to say [something like] this:

    This necklace is part of the Triforce of Wisdom, the sacred power of the Gods that Ganon craves. Your mother passed it down to you, and told you to guard this with your life, did she not? Your family has kept it safe for generations. Now it is time for you to learn the destiny to which you were born…

    Yes, you are the last true heir of the Hyrule royal family, the last of the bloodline, Princess Zelda!

    It does not make Tetra’s mother the King’s wife, but it concludes that she does have genetic connection to the family. And really, the fact that the King has the other half of the Triforce of Wisdom makes it seem logical. What could have happened is that he disguised his wife’s identity (oh, shapeshifting revisited…), sent her to the mountains before the flooding of Hyrule, and from there she could have made another family with another man (cheating? I don’t think so).

    SmashManiac said:

    Actually, with my reincarnation theory, Medli would be Ruto and Makar would be Saria. Besides, Medli and Ruto are as reckless, and Makar and Saria practices a lot with their instruments. As for Darunia and Nabooru, they could be hiding or they can be anywhere outside of the boundary of the world map, but they would actually be alive because the Master Sword wouldn’t have its power back otherwise.

    Medli carries the bloodline of Laruto, and Makar descends from Fado, two sages different than those of the other seven (Zelda, Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, and Nabooru). Fado and Laruto were sages that held the duty of praying to the Goddesses to give the Master Sword its power. Whether they did anything else is unknown, but I doubt that Fado and Laruto (Makar and Medli) played the same role as the other seven, and here’s why. Let’s say that in OoT, Saria and Ruto, the sages you theorize Makar and Medli reincarnate from, were the sages that prayed for the Master Sword’s power. But Ganondorf attacked their temples and subsided their power, which should have weakend the power of the Master Sword. But, with the exception of the end of the game when Zelda boosts its strength, the Master Sword had the same amount of strength throughout the whole game, and the guard wasn’t bent in like it was in the beginning of TWW. But why, when Medli and Makar’s power’s are weakend by poisoning the Earth and Wind temples, did the Master Sword lose its power then if they were among the same sages? That’s why I don’t think they descend from two of the seven sages that sealed Ganon away, and why I don’t think Fado and LaRuto/Makar and Medli have the same power as the other sages did.

    But I do however agree with your reincarnation theory, to some extent anyway.

    The Missing Link said:

    I’ve always theorised that, since the goddesses themselves intervened, there’s an alternate avenue of possibility to have travelled down. In short, all we know is that the created they water bubble over Hyrule, but that does not preclude them from having done something else. That something else, I believe, is the erasing of the memories of Hyrule, thereby allowing the citizens of… hmmm… “New Hyrule” to live without wondering what the heck just happened to them and why in the world they’re living on a bloody island.

    The thing is they couldn’t have COMPLETELY made them forget because of a couple things.

    The memory of the kingdom vanished, but its legend survived on the wind’s breath. On a certain island, it became customary to garb boys in green when they came of age. Clothed in the green of fields, they aspired to find heroic blades and cast down evil. The elders wished only for the youths to know courage like the hero of legend.

    It’s no coincidence that Outset Island dressed their boys up in green and gave them swords ‘on the side of justice’, for Farore’s sake, it’s part of the culture! They obviously knew SOMETHING about the old kingdom and the adventure of the Hero of Time, as he clearly is an idol to the island.

    But if according to the text ‘the memory of the kingdom vanished’, then my theory would have to be this: the people sent above the seas, by the hands of the goddesses or some other way, lost the memories which made the story of Hyrule the truth (as in, they don’t know whether it truly existed or not, or simply lost faith in its existence), which is, like you said, why they never asked, “Why the *NAVI* am I on an island?”. However, they believed it to be an exciting old tale worth telling, and therefore passed it on - kind of like one of those ‘legends’ that’s interesting, but lacking proof of truly occuring (I’m sure I’ve confused the *Navi* out of all you by now). Some found the story completely fictional and pushed it aside, and others took it to heart, allowing the legend to faintly ’survive on the wind’s breath’. Daphnes Nohansen and Ganondorf may have not forgotten because…well, they weren’t above the sea at the time.

    That’s only a guess though, and really, half of Zelda analysis are guesses.

    And really, what does this have to do with Nudge? Well…if hundreds of years had passed since pre-flooding, which kind of argues against Nudge’s possibility of being a Sheikah of the old Hyrule kingdom, unless the Sheikah gave birth above the sea or they live ridiculously long.

    Darth Taya said:

    Bet their laughing real hard at us now.

    Oooh yeah. They’re rolling on the floor, laughing their *Navies* off by now.

    And I am so NOT doing another long post!!

    I knowthe goddesses did, cover up! They wiped the Hyrulians’ memories, and replaced them with false memories, so to protect them from Ganondorf. Plus, if you remember what the king said (somewhere after fighting Ganondorf) that he says he became something like Ganondorf, a good reason why the goddesses let him keep his memory (could someone please refresh my memory with the quote) I know believe that Daphnes Nohasen Hyrule is not Tetra’s father…he’s her grandpa! Otherwise, we would ad said something like, “Your mother had that, and her mother, and her mother, and her mother, and so on and so forth,” or something along that line. We are getting WAY off subject here people, let’s get back to talking about Nudge before WE ARE ALL in trouble, and caught by TML. I think Nudge is a shiekah, who still looks almost the same age, plus, methinks that it’s just natural facial hair on Nudge, so Nudge still has a 50% chance of being a woman (s/he sews, not shaves :D )

    is this the part HH? “If only I could do things over again…Not a day of my life has gone by withoutmy thoughts turning to my kindom of old.

    I have lived bound to Hyrule.

    In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf”.

    Great Lord Ephraim said:

    is this the part HH? “If only I could do things over again…Not a day of my life has gone by withoutmy thoughts turning to my kindom of old.

    I have lived bound to Hyrule.

    In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf”.

    I think he was indeed referring to that quote. However I don’t think it helps to know anything about Nudge.

    It is the exact part, and it’s for our off subject discussion of whether The Great Seas is centuries or decades old. Anyways, I’ll go and review every possibility of what Nudge is (I’ll need some feedback, Robert, none from you)
    Nudge is…
    A male pirate, whose good with sewing
    Impa, protecting the Hylians family’s girls for millenias
    a female Sheikah, being related to Impa
    a female Sheikah, changed into a male to watch Tetra/Zelda (either permanetly or magically)
    a person that is used by Mr. Miyamoto to make us argue like little kids

    (latter for comedian effects :D )

    OH…wow….I’m glad to know I’m not the only one who found that picture…..eehhhhh *shivers* That’s wrong. So wrong.

    I have another theory on what Nudge is:
    A Bugs Bunny fan. SHE was doing a little Bugs Bunny joke, but then Hyrule flooded, and she thinks she’s a guy now. Ok that was just a joke, but I needed to lighten up this area. I just have the four theories of my last post to go by, otherwise I think Nudge is messed up.

    Legendary_Blade said:

    Do remember that in TWW inside the castle when Link and Tetra meet the King, Daphnes Nohansen of Hyrule goes on to say [something like] this:

    This necklace is part of the Triforce of Wisdom, the sacred power of the Gods that Ganon craves. Your mother passed it down to you, and told you to guard this with your life, did she not? Your family has kept it safe for generations. Now it is time for you to learn the destiny to which you were born…

    Yes, you are the last true heir of the Hyrule royal family, the last of the bloodline, Princess Zelda!

    It does not make Tetra’s mother the King’s wife, but it concludes that she does have genetic connection to the family. And really, the fact that the King has the other half of the Triforce of Wisdom makes it seem logical. What could have happened is that he disguised his wife’s identity (oh, shapeshifting revisited…), sent her to the mountains before the flooding of Hyrule, and from there she could have made another family with another man (cheating? I don’t think so).

    SmashManiac said:

    Actually, with my reincarnation theory, Medli would be Ruto and Makar would be Saria. Besides, Medli and Ruto are as reckless, and Makar and Saria practices a lot with their instruments. As for Darunia and Nabooru, they could be hiding or they can be anywhere outside of the boundary of the world map, but they would actually be alive because the Master Sword wouldn’t have its power back otherwise.

    Medli carries the bloodline of Laruto, and Makar descends from Fado, two sages different than those of the other seven (Zelda, Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, and Nabooru). Fado and Laruto were sages that held the duty of praying to the Goddesses to give the Master Sword its power. Whether they did anything else is unknown, but I doubt that Fado and Laruto (Makar and Medli) played the same role as the other seven, and here’s why. Let’s say that in OoT, Saria and Ruto, the sages you theorize Makar and Medli reincarnate from, were the sages that prayed for the Master Sword’s power. But Ganondorf attacked their temples and subsided their power, which should have weakend the power of the Master Sword. But, with the exception of the end of the game when Zelda boosts its strength, the Master Sword had the same amount of strength throughout the whole game, and the guard wasn’t bent in like it was in the beginning of TWW. But why, when Medli and Makar’s power’s are weakend by poisoning the Earth and Wind temples, did the Master Sword lose its power then if they were among the same sages? That’s why I don’t think they descend from two of the seven sages that sealed Ganon away, and why I don’t think Fado and LaRuto/Makar and Medli have the same power as the other sages did.

    But I do however agree with your reincarnation theory, to some extent anyway.

    The Missing Link said:

    I’ve always theorised that, since the goddesses themselves intervened, there’s an alternate avenue of possibility to have travelled down. In short, all we know is that the created they water bubble over Hyrule, but that does not preclude them from having done something else. That something else, I believe, is the erasing of the memories of Hyrule, thereby allowing the citizens of… hmmm… “New Hyrule” to live without wondering what the heck just happened to them and why in the world they’re living on a bloody island.

    The thing is they couldn’t have COMPLETELY made them forget because of a couple things.

    The memory of the kingdom vanished, but its legend survived on the wind’s breath. On a certain island, it became customary to garb boys in green when they came of age. Clothed in the green of fields, they aspired to find heroic blades and cast down evil. The elders wished only for the youths to know courage like the hero of legend.

    It’s no coincidence that Outset Island dressed their boys up in green and gave them swords ‘on the side of justice’, for Farore’s sake, it’s part of the culture! They obviously knew SOMETHING about the old kingdom and the adventure of the Hero of Time, as he clearly is an idol to the island.

    But if according to the text ‘the memory of the kingdom vanished’, then my theory would have to be this: the people sent above the seas, by the hands of the goddesses or some other way, lost the memories which made the story of Hyrule the truth (as in, they don’t know whether it truly existed or not, or simply lost faith in its existence), which is, like you said, why they never asked, “Why the *NAVI* am I on an island?”. However, they believed it to be an exciting old tale worth telling, and therefore passed it on - kind of like one of those ‘legends’ that’s interesting, but lacking proof of truly occuring (I’m sure I’ve confused the *Navi* out of all you by now). Some found the story completely fictional and pushed it aside, and others took it to heart, allowing the legend to faintly ’survive on the wind’s breath’. Daphnes Nohansen and Ganondorf may have not forgotten because…well, they weren’t above the sea at the time.

    That’s only a guess though, and really, half of Zelda analysis are guesses.

    And really, what does this have to do with Nudge? Well…if hundreds of years had passed since pre-flooding, which kind of argues against Nudge’s possibility of being a Sheikah of the old Hyrule kingdom, unless the Sheikah gave birth above the sea or they live ridiculously long.

    Darth Taya said:

    Bet their laughing real hard at us now.

    Oooh yeah. They’re rolling on the floor, laughing their *Navies* off by now.

    And I am so NOT doing another long post!!

    maybe she was a servent to the king or something.i read in a book that that can always happen,doing *navi* under the king’s command,but that’s wrong!

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