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Broadening Zelda’s Borders

February 3rd, 2006 at 2:21 pm by The Missing Link

Flying in an airplane is a weird experience for me. Normally, my belief is that the world is really, really big; I believe it would take forever to get anywhere really far away. (This is quite helpful actually; if I thought I could go anywhere in a snap, I’d tend to travel all the time and not show up to my job like I should, and I have to admit, the rupees cash is nice!) But whenever I fly, I find it extremely odd that I’ve just passed over several state lines in just a few hours; when I finally land, I still believe that I’m in Ohio despite all of the signs that say “Welcome to Seattle!” (In case you’re wondering, that’s where I currently am.) It’s times like this when I realise that, hey, the world isn’t as big as I once thought it was; in fact, it’s quite puny by comparison…

So when I was flying out here, I was thinking on the airplane just how big Hyrule was. (No, I most certainly do not think about Zelda 24 hours a day. Just a mere 23, thank you.) I mean, consider the possibilities: Hyrule has this huge field in Ocarina that could not be travelled in a twelve hours’ journey, thus forcing us to battle those skeleton types outside the castle gates if we mistime our journey. It takes us at least a day to cover all seven blocks, one direction, of the world map in Waker. And beyond that, we know that there are places in the world that are not Hyrule, namely Calatia from Adventure, Holodrum from Seasons, Labrynna from Ages, wherever Four Swords is supposed to take place, and Termina (maybe) from Majora. So the world isn’t exactly teeny tiny, ranging only a day’s ride from end to end.

But really, how big is the world of Zelda? Whatever you do, don’t stifle your imagination when you try to figure out your answer to the question.

From what we know, there is the classic creation story. The goddesses indeed created Hyrule, giving them the Triforce blah blah blah. That’s all good and all, but what about Calatia? What about the islands off in the Great Sea? They’re surely not in the creation story, so logically speaking, they must not exist, right? Well, we know that’s false. (It actually makes you wonder if the creation story itself is accurate, but this isn’t Religion 101, and I don’t want to get into the whole Flying Spaghetti Monster theory here.) What’s important is that there is stuff outside the borders of Hyrule, regardless of whatever Death Mountains or Lake Hylias or otherwise impassable borders or invisible walls happen to keep us from spilling outside the world the developers force us to stay in.

This whole concept begs a lot of unanswered questions. First and foremost on my mind is the notion of other kingdoms. Calatia, Holodrum, and Labrynna are great and all, but to our knowledge, they are merely a bunch of random cities, towns, and villages scattered here and there. They didn’t know Hyrule had a king. They thought they were autonomous collectives. Never have we seen the presence of a foreign lord or king beyond Hyrule’s borders, yet to imagine that Hyrule is completely alone in the world when there are already scattered peoples across islands and land seems to be a bit of a stretch.

If we assume that there are other kings near Hyrule (We really need a name for this supposed continent; I nominate the name Cheese.), then we have to talk about the size of Cheese. Taking a look back to medieval Europe, countries were quite large, and it definitely took more than a day’s ride to get from end to end, so Waker does a better job, I’m guessing, of truly estimating the proper size of Hyrule. What we might be looking at then is very nearly the size of Europe, provided we have enough Burger King crowns to go around, that is. Sure, we might never hear about some of the smaller nations or the ones further away (and may never hear about any of them if tradition holds true), but my hunch is that Cheese would be about that size.

And then to go beyond that, would the planet Hyrule was on (Hmmm… time for another name. Anyone opposed to Greg?) be filled with continents like Earth or would it be just one Pangaea of Cheese? At this point, it’s anyone’s guess as to what we might find on the face of Greg, and it will probably depend upon whether you support Hyrulean evolution, Hyrulean creation, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. (Only Mother Greg knows what really happened, and he/she’s not telling.) What is definitely certain is that Cheese would be a very powerful continent with all these kingdoms on it, and the power of Cheese would be very easy to behold.

Now Twilight’s aim is partially to broaden our sense of Hyrule. We get a horse very early in the game because, you guessed it, Hyrule is bigger than it ever has been before. We need that horse to get from place to place. (If you’ve ever played Shadow of the Colossus, you know that of which I speak.) What I think would be interesting to find out though is whether or not Twilight will go so far as to break Hyrule’s borders and go beyond into whatever might lie beyond.

Then again, I’m sure that some people would find my idea very Cheesy indeed.

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    I’ll settle with the spegetti monster. LOL

    D’oh! Pun at the end ;)

    Very nice article, TML. This is indeed what I’m expecting in TP. After all, you also start off in a foreign land(or village, or at least someplace where they are an autonomous collective). After all, Hyrule holds some sort of Summit, remember, which also proves these people know of Hyrule and possibly that Hyrule has some sort of dominance or position of high esteem.

    I must disagree with your quote: “Never have we seen the presence of a foreign lord or king beyond Hyrule’s borders”

    Labrynna had a ruler: Queen Ambi, proving that there is a Kingdom, or in this case, a Queendom outside Hyrule’s borders.

    Yes I know it was in the past, and no I don’t think it matters. :P

    Darth Citrus said:

    Labrynna had a ruler: Queen Ambi, proving that there is a Kingdom, or in this case, a Queendom outside Hyrule’s borders.

    I will stand corrected on this one, good chap. However, in my defence (which is hardly a good one, I know), I really was thinking about nobles from kingdoms that were on the same continent of Cheese as is Hyrule.

    But since you probably deserve it, here’s a green mushroom for putting the 1-up on TML.

    TML, I disagree with you naming the world. If I remember correctly, it stated in the Creation of Hyrule myth in one of the games t Hyrule was the name of the world and one of the countries in it.

    I forgot where, but someone said the planet was named Hyrule. No idea where they got that from, if it’s confirmed, or anything like that.

    Also, yes Twilight Princess will go beyond the borders of Hyrule because you grow up in a foreign village. My question is if that’s the only place outside Hyrule you can go to.

    About the size, they said the scene where you fight the guys on horseback takes place in a small area of Hyrule Field. I think they covered an area bigger than Ocarina’s field if I remember correctly and am judging the sizes right. And Ocarina’s field was pretty big.

    BTW, the islands are Hyrule’s mountain tops, so that doesn’t qualify.

    I wonder if thay will ever make a zelda world that you can circle.it always drove me crazy when those mysterious barriers came that not even the hero of time could get around (ganondorf has to get a couple of those :) ),or that scary thing that sent KORL running (sailing).I think WW had the biggest world though……or ocean.

    Master Link said:

    TML, I disagree with you naming the world. If I remember correctly, it stated in the Creation of Hyrule myth in one of the games t Hyrule was the name of the world and one of the countries in it.

    Careful. You’re making Mother Greg angry. ;)

    I’m hoping for a world as big and as beautiful as Shadow of the Colossus’. It’s definitely a high standard for TP, but if Nintendo can just pull it off…

    Now if we could carry over some of the horse mechanics. Agro’s left quite the impression on me. ;)

    “Now Twilight’s aim is partially to broaden our sense of Hyrule. We get a horse very early in the game because, you guessed it, Hyrule is bigger than it ever has been before. We need that horse to get from place to place. (If you’ve ever played Shadow of the Colossus, you know that of which I speak.) What I think would be interesting to find out though is whether or not Twilight will go so far as to break Hyrule’s borders and go beyond into whatever might lie beyond.”

    I watched the horseriding video at hyrule.net. Link was chasing that warthog rider and the land seemed endless.

    TP better come out in April. I can’t wait much longer.

    Ok, The Flying Speghetti Monster?Mother Greg?I’ll never watch Spirited Away ever again (you guys are psycho!)The world of Hyrule (in OoT) is bigger than it looks, but they never had the gaming space, so they sized down the country, and time was made faster so it would meet the space of Hyrule (plus, no space left) of course, Animal Crossing goes by real time(and it sorta related to Zelda, theres a piece of furniture that looks just like the Master Sword)Anyways, the land of Hyrule in FSA is actually the biggest, since crossing the land to get from point A to point B takes a while (more than a couple of minutes) Same with any other Game that changes from day to night (and vice versa) yet, TP’s Hyrule looks promising, maybe a little longer for the day to change.

    • 12. TSA says:

    Yeah, I was about to say the creation of Hyrule could be interpreted to only deal with the “land” of Hyrule. There is nothing about the planet/world specifically named…it just says Hyrule.

    It’s another thing we really don’t have much to go on…so fans make up their own theories.

    Good article TML. I hope Twilight Princess drives home the sense of “borders” and “distant” lands…since supposedly we have all these towns we get to go to and they’re not “part” of Hyrule…

    I’d just like to point out that OoT did have a number of “kingdoms” in it. Sure, you have the King of Hyrule, but you also have King Zora. Ganondorf is refered to as the Gerudo King of Thieves. While only refered to as Big Brother, Darunia is obviously leader of what seems to be, if not a nation, then at least the Goron tribe, or some political unit. Everyone is allied to the King of Hyrule, but my guess is this is the by-product of the war alluded to by the Deku Tree Sprout when revealing Link’s origins. Anyways, my point is that by OoT, Hyrule was not intended to be some singular kingdom in the midst of nothing else. Hyrule is surronded by other kingdoms. It’s a good thing I believe. I always lament Console Role Playing Game Cliche #41: George W. Bush Geography Simplification Initiative — Every country in the world will have exactly one town in it, except for the country you start out in, which will have three.

    Say what???Well, like I said earlier, Hyrule is bigger than it appears, so Hyrule is so big, the continent has many ruling tribes, and the war before Link went to Kokiri, it was for complete rule over Hyrule, and obviously, the Hylians became the main ruling tribe of Hyrule.I see the planet that Link lives on, Hylia (main race are called Hylians, and on Earth, the main name for Humans are Earthlings, but thats just me)and there are many continents, and just like a timeline, I’m trying to fit where all the continents fit, and seeing one of my timeline theories in other sections of ZeldaBlog, there are obviously many Hyrules, along with Termina, Holodrum, Labrynna, Calatia, that one place in FS, And only Link was the one that went to risk his own life to save Zel or other reason.

    Another problem in Capcoms games is that they call Hylians humans
    which they are not haven’t they looked at the ears of a Hylian and compared it to that of a human.

    The Missing Link said:

    Master Link said:

    TML, I disagree with you naming the world. If I remember correctly, it stated in the Creation of Hyrule myth in one of the games t Hyrule was the name of the world and one of the countries in it.

    Careful. You’re making Mother Greg angry. ;)

    I’m going to have to agree with Master Link. I think Hyrule could be the name of the Country, Continent, and Planet all in one package, ala Azeroth in the Warcraft series. In my writings, I call the planet Hylia, but that’s just me.

    Oooo, I want a 1-up mushroom too! n.n Go to the Captain N Network’s page of old Zelda comics and click on the story called Queen of Hearts. This story involves Seline, the Queen of Calatia, which is definitely a country neighboring Hyrule.

    As for the whole question on the creation story, if I may be permitted to put my two cents in, I think it makes the most sense to assume that the Three did indeed create the entire world in which Hyrule exists, whatever it may be called, and that Hyrule itself was simply where They planted the seeds of life and civilization–a Garden of Eden, if you will.

    Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese… Cheese is good. I just want Twilight to be out so we can figure it out then!

    Its taken a year, maybe two, but this will be BIG!I mean BIIIG big.If you seen some footage of it in the field, it looks real promising.BTW, TML, where did you find that speghetti monster at?

    I cant remember what Calatia is,is it the place you get the 5 Golden leaves in LA???

    Calatia is where Adventure of Link takes place.

    Hyrulian Hero said:

    Its taken a year, maybe two, but this will be BIG!I mean BIIIG big.If you seen some footage of it in the field, it looks real promising.BTW, TML, where did you find that speghetti monster at?

    It was in a political E-mail I received at work from one of my co-workers who… has a different opinion about how things should be in the world. ;)

    Actually, Link was in Hyrule in AoL, its just different (see the map for it) although, to its west is Calatia.You see, old Hyrule was washed in TWW’s Ocean, until it looks different, and the events in both LoZ and AoL says that they moved from old Hyrule to Northern Hyrule, a land north of Death Mountains.Many mysteries of Earth (and Hyrule too) tend to have answers right under your noses (except in schoolwork, thats in your brain, only if you studied) and the *NAVI* with the Flying Speghetti monster, but up with cheese.

    Your article happened to mention Kings and Europe and suddenly my mind exploded with info I have (unknowingly, I assure you!) picked up in lectures!

    When thinking about the kind of government in other countries, you might want to consider their stage of development. I mean you don’t just go from a village to a kingdom in one leap - development of leadership goes through several stages with the absorption of territory and other populations. Perhaps these other countries are in that earlier (or maybe even later!) stage of transition than Hyrule.

    If we consider the information pertaining to their size and their state of government, we might assume that they are less powerful than Hyrule. Their geographical position near Hyrule’s borders may then suggest that they may pay tribute to Hyrule. Therefore to some extent, Hyrule flexes influence over places like Holodrum. You could even go as far as to suggest that whoever is ruling this country could be a client king, more of a puppet of Hyrule’s authority.

    Hmmm, I’m more sceptical about ‘cheese’ (hehe) being powerful just because it has many kingdoms. Anglo-Saxon England had many kingdoms and was no where near as powerful as the Carolingian empire…

    And here is an idea completely “out of the ball park,” so to speak. Hyrule is on a different world right? How about in a different universe too? Maybe that explains the one continent… Their world is actually flat!

    Of course if you want to go for the more Matrix style explanation, Hyrule does “exist” in a sense. It’s just it only exists inside a cartridge/cd as programming code and comes to life as you play the game.

    But after all is said and done, this is a game, and I feel I must remind myself of that fact after this discussion, lol. I love the imagination :) Personally I just hope they broaden Hyrule’s borders so we can get to visit some more towns and villages just to hear the weird things the residents have to say… lol.

    LJ.

    I ave alvays imaganed Hyrule vu be vone Contry amung meny, wiv Zora, Goron, Deku, Sheikah and Gerudo Countrys to ve found over ze seas as zey did say that ze Gerudos traveled over the Oceans.

    BTW I apologise for the fault in the Post. Those responsible have been sacked.

    Also I belive zat ze Creation theory vrom Ocarina of Time refered to ze entire World (Vich I call Tingle) vithHyrule at ze cebter.

    BTW I apologise again for the fault in the Post. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, have been sacked.

    Speak in English ya dipwad (forgive me) I still believe that all the known lands of Hylia/Hyrule are in one planet, not in different universes (in real life, they are in crtridges and disks, but we’re being goofy and fanfic-tious) since it says in many games that Link was:
    From Hrule and fell into Termina
    From Hyrule, Triforce transported him to Holodrum/Labrynna
    (from somewhere) and shipwrecks into Koholint (or drifted into sea)
    and finally, Journeyed from a far away land (Calatia) to Hyrule
    I have made my point, and anyone who aregues with me gets Rito feathers shoved up their noses.

    Hyrulian Hero, don’t. If what you say has to be followed by the obligatory “(forgive me)”, then obviously it shouldn’t be said here.

    Obligatory?Definition please.I’ve been sick, but I’m feeling better now.Anyways, Its just common sense, and I’ll listen to anyone else’s theories of where the worlds are at.*disappears in smoke*

    Obligatory: Something that must be done. If you’re going to insult someone and then try to make up for it by asking for forgiveness, then it is not to be done here.

    Forgive me folks, I won’t be mean again (I actually mean it) now to my corner *goes to sit in corner, while typing on computer saying, “I will not be mean to people.” over and over*

    Ok TML, I found the game/manual where it said world of Hyrule. In the A Link to The Past manual, in the Creation of Hyrule section, it said that the Triforce that the goddesses created was created to aid intelligent life on the World of Hyrule. Please give me your thoughts on this.